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Post #1267970

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Master Lawdog
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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4-Feb-2019, 3:45 PM

Mocata said:

nl0428 said:

Mocata said:

Vader was redeemed by his love for Luke… cheesy and unearned as that might be.

Kylo currently hates everyone? Really he needs to have a major new characterisation moment or realise he screwed up before falling into a hell of his own making. Something like that.

That’s not true. He cares truly for Rey. Just like how Anakin’s love for Luke brought him back, Ben’s love for Rey will also play a key factor to his redemption.

“You have no place in this story. You come from nothing. You’re nothing. But not to me.”

  • Kylo Ren/Ben Solo (The Last Jedi)

Sounds like bad guy manipulation to me. He needs to fall down a mineshaft pronto. Hopefully in a haze of despair as he sees the faces of all his murder victims.

You didn’t even feel any sympathy for him, knowing that rather than confronting his nephew and a family way to help him, Luke originally thought about killing his own nephew instead? Ben thought Luke was going to kill him, (which he was planning on) but decided to give in to Snoke’s manipulations since his own uncle tried to kill him, and his isolation and loneliness from his family have made him vulnerable for Snoke to take him. Ben, that night before Luke showed up, was still feeling lonely, yet still conflicted on his choice.

REY: Is it true!? Did you create Kylo Ren!?

He actually kinda did.

LUKE: I failed you, Ben. I’m sorry.

BEN: I’m sure you are!

The audience is supposed to view him the same way Rey does. He isn’t manipulating her, but helping her understand the truth, yet wanting to give her a better future. He’s going about it the wrong way, but he wouldn’t manipulate the one he cares for. If Snoke hadn’t set up the connection between the two, he probably would’ve tried manipulating her. But since the two have understood each other fully, they now look at one another differently.

“You need a teacher! I can show you the ways of the Force.”

In The Force Awakens, he wanted to take her as his apprentice.

“Rey. I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the Galaxy.”

Now after getting to know her better, he wants the two to stand side by side equally. Wanting the best for the both of them.

REY: I’ve never felt so alone.

BEN: You’re not alone.

REY: Neither are you. It isn’t too late.