Ugh, another video that selectively attempts to make logical points whilst managing to ignore facts established onscreen… great. The title ‘Rey and the sad devolution of the female character’ - does the video highlight or categorise the devolution of female characters? It seems not - it certainly didn’t within the first 6 and bit minutes of the video…
Hasn’t this circular and repetitive type of attempting to place an agenda as fact been done to death in both the TLJ threads? It needed a new thread for a further continuation of the same old endless stuff?
Oh well.
5.30 into the video - TLJ’s The Throne Room… the youtuber says ‘and what further compounds the unbelievable nature of this character is that Rey gets herself out of this problem all by herself. She manages to best Snoke’s guards - guards that are no doubt some of the best, most elite warriors, in the Galaxy - clearly trained to fight force sensitive beings, since they have weapons designed to work against lightsabers. Not to mention they get the best of Kylo Ren at one point which shows how skilled they must be. Rey however, wielding a lightsaber for the 2nd time in combat, is going toe-to-toe with them pretty well and only takes a small cut on the arm - even though about a week ago she was fighting off thugs on Jakku with a staff - which, mind you, is completely believable since she no doubt would have leanrt some level of self-defence to survive on such a harsh planet. How self-defence against thugs translates into besting the elite guards of the most powerful being in the galaxy… just a week later… is beyond me.’
^ ignoring the fact that has been made on many previous occasions that without Kylo to save her… Snoke could have easily killed her at any time he pleased otherwise - Snoke was literally playing with her and moving her around the room at will - and if not for Snoke’s over-confidence and Kylo’s play for power would have certainly died. Also ignoring since that last week on Jakku she now has knowledge and an understanding of The Force - (she is erm… literally The Force Awakening…) and has been shown on screen to have a strong ability to mimic the skills she sees or is subjected upon her - as well as also ‘letting The Force in’ during a fight against Kylo to which she was losing badly and on the back foot throughout before doing so. Rey has also had some tutelage and understanding of The Force from someone who also previously quickly became attuned to using The Force in a short a space of time. Not withstanding that Kylo takes the majority of guards out, and the two of them working together as a team enables them to extricate themselves out of the situation - whereas the guards seems to attack them individually (in the main). I’d also state at various points in the fight it didn’t look good for them - it doesn’t appear to be a ‘by the numbers’ or easy fight to win for either of them - and without teaming up and helping each other they seemingly could have easily lost to Snoke’s guards (not that the script demands anything else in the middle part of the Trilogy of which they are two of the big players in it 😉).
This is apparently ‘beyond’ the youtuber (not the script thing - but the rest of the above) - all of which occurred on screen and was somehow ignored - or maybe he has not realised what has actually happened?
And at this point (6 and a bit minutes in - half-way through the video)… after viewing far too many of these type of selectively done clickbait videos on TLJ I’ll stop there. I’ve wasted more than enough time watching these things (that’s not to say there are no good videos with logical and reasoned criticisms of Rey as a character out there - there are). This video certainly isn’t one of them.
‘Best explanation of the Mary Sue issue’? That must take place in the last 5 and bit minutes - though I don’t holdout much hope it does - more likely it’ll suggest something we’ve been told to expect but hasn’t happened in the eyes / satisfaction of the youtuber making this video - no doubt with a claim / mention of her being perfect / a Mary Sue - ignoring the events listed above amongst other shortcomings shown onscreen (including that without Kylo Ren turning against Snoke she’d likely be dead). If the ‘Best explanation of the Mary Sue issue’ didn’t take place in the last 5 and bit minutes… £$€s to the youtuber - a job well done for him.
Woah. Some Deja vu right there - seems like some of us have been here before… 😉
I think I’ll put a stop to that on my part and leave this thread - though fair play to many of the posts in here - made for some interesting reading, decent points of view and takes on events - though descended into the usual personal digs when posters started playing off vs each other - and no longer debated the actual points made. Shame that.