Rian’s saying he was free to do whatever he thought was best - in some cases it aligned with what GL and JJ had in mind but he didn’t have to follow any sort of outline. Not sure why people care so much about there being a plan, the vast majority of cinematic series never had a definite one either.
Maybe because the myth of Lucas’ master plan persists, when he too was making it up as he went along?
Where were you in '77?
Maybe because the myth of Lucas’ master plan persists, when he too was making it up as he went along?
This. It’s pretty clear that the only “plan” for the prequels were a set of bullet point events/moments he more or less forgot about until Episode III and then went “Oh shit, I still have to do X and Y and Z…”
And we all know there was no overall plan for the OT as it was being made.
And we all know there was no overall plan for the OT as it was being made.
Thus toppled the first domino. . . .
He gave us a hint in 1981 with Indy …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0UrDWZGAk
Maybe because the myth of Lucas’ master plan persists, when he too was making it up as he went along?
Pretty much.
(Plus the myth of the MCU master plan, even though those filmmakers are transparent about it not existing.)
Did not know that. The MCU seems like they had some sort of roadmap at the very least. Nobody has ever pulled off a decade’s worth of interconnected films before.
Where were you in '77?
Not sure why people care so much about there being a plan, the vast majority of cinematic series never had a definite one either.
The difference is that even if its not planned out and something is being created as it goes along, there’s one person there guiding it along.
The OT while not all written strictly by George, was guided by George.
The MCU is being guided by Kevin Feige and they’ve had directors quit because they didn’t want to incorporate elements to setup and support future films.
The ST has no one, each director was left to do whatever they wanted with their entry. Kennedy is a brilliant producer but she doesn’t seem to have a vision for where to take the franchise.
Did not know that. The MCU seems like they had some sort of roadmap at the very least. Nobody has ever pulled off a decade’s worth of interconnected films before.
There’s a general roadmap, yes, but it’s extremely modular/flexible from everything we’ve seen. Thanos wasn’t even considered as a major villain until after Whedon decided to put him in the Avengers 1 credits scene as a nod to comic fans.
Did not know that. The MCU seems like they had some sort of roadmap at the very least. Nobody has ever pulled off a decade’s worth of interconnected films before.
Roadmap is a good way to describe it. There’s a schedule for which movie comes when, but for the most part the filmmakers are allowed to do as they please with their films. Feige, like Kennedy, understands that that’s what makes the best movies (of course sometimes there’s clashes but that’s a different conversation).
Not sure why people care so much about there being a plan, the vast majority of cinematic series never had a definite one either.
The difference is that even if its not planned out and something is being created as it goes along, there’s one person there guiding it along.
The OT while not all written strictly by George, was guided by George.
The MCU is being guided by Kevin Feige and they’ve had directors quit because they didn’t want to incorporate elements to setup and support future films.
The ST has no one, each director was left to do whatever they wanted with their entry. Kennedy is a brilliant producer but she doesn’t seem to have a vision for where to take the franchise.
Considering Feige has yet to produce a movie as good as either of the ST films, I’ll take the Kennedy approach.
That said, I still fail to see what the difference is, if one even exists. I don’t know how you could look at, say, the three Thor movies and say there’s one clear vision guiding them.
Feige has a vision for the Marvel franchise, sure, but so does Kennedy with SW. Having a vision for a franchise is more than just about micromanaging what happens in three of your movies.
Let’s not get off topic and start talking about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, guys.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
In the context of making comparisons to how Lucasfilm is running things these days, it’s cool. And hey, it’s my job to nag! 😛
Have any of the Marvel films been a mess behind the scenes the way Solo was? Fox and Sony productions don’t count.
Where were you in '77?
In the context of making comparisons to how Lucasfilm is running things these days, it’s cool. And hey, it’s my job to nag! 😛
Have any of the Marvel films been a mess behind the scenes the way Solo was? Fox and Sony productions don’t count.
Ant-Man comes close (though filming never started on Edgar Wright’s version). Thor: The Dark World seemes to have had some issues too.
I was going to say Thor TDW as well. Maybe Iron Man 2, though that one managed to finish up with the same director all the way through (even though they never had a finished script and the story was basically improvised the entire way through).
As far as “meddling” in general goes, you’ve got Incredible Hulk (the BTS circumstances of which led to Norton being ousted as Banner), Age of Ultron (which led to Whedon abandoning the franchise), the aforementioned Ant-Man (though once Wright left there didn’t seem to be many issues during and after filming), and you could maybe count what happened with Inhumans, too.
We are talking about Star Wars: Episode IX, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe! That can be discussed in another thread.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
In the context of making comparisons to how Lucasfilm is running things these days, it’s cool. And hey, it’s my job to nag! 😛
Have any of the Marvel films been a mess behind the scenes the way Solo was? Fox and Sony productions don’t count.
You realize that was said by a forum moderator, right? And that both posts after it were directly responding to the mod’s question?
I get wanting to keep it on topic but I think talking about Marvel is relevant, since the MCU gets compared to Star Wars so often, and the concept of a “master plan” gets brought up constantly to discredit the new films.
I don’t think a “master plan” was needed in the MCU, because the films are by there very nature episodic. The only two connected in the same way a trilogy was is Infinity War and Endgame, and they are made by the exact same team under the same production.
It seems a more complicated situation than the ST, given the number of films and potential for any one film to contradict something in another. Events in one film do affect the plot in others.
Where were you in '77?
Hence the lack of actual crossover between MCU movies and TV series. It’s hard enough juggling multiple movie franchises, but throwing TV in the mix and attempting any kind of meaningful crossovers without handcuffing one side or the other creatively (like the first 3/4 of Agents of SHIELD Season 1, pre-Winter Soldier) has got to be nigh on impossible.
Hence the lack of actual crossover between MCU movies and TV series. It’s hard enough juggling multiple movie franchises, but throwing TV in the mix and attempting any kind of meaningful crossovers without handcuffing one side or the other creatively (like the first 3/4 of Agents of SHIELD Season 1, pre-Winter Soldier) has got to be nigh on impossible.
Good. I don’t want the mediocre films encroaching on Daredevil or The Punisher and infecting them with their shiny substancelessness.
Or course now that there are two live action SW series in the works, there’s more potential continuity issues to avoid.
Where were you in '77?
I believe that once we get the first trailer to Episode IX, everything crazy may be put to rest. We may get it this December, despite that the film wraps production in February.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
Or course now that there are two live action SW series in the works, there’s more potential continuity issues to avoid.
On the plus side, the SW universe allows for stories to be told in eras that are very much independent of the “current” storyline, with little to no risk of continuity issues.