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CatBus
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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Date created
4-Nov-2018, 8:12 PM

Discostu said:

CatBus said:

Re: German dubs. Short story: No adjustment is necessary.

I hoped so and muxed the file with 4K83. But while it seamlessly syncs with ROTJ DE 2.5 there is is a noticeable asynchronicity in 4K83. It’s for example quite obvious in the scene where Leia tells Han that Luke is her brother. But if you are sure that there shouldn’t be a noticeable delay, then maybe I should just try it again.

I’ll take a look at my own copy (which may not be the same dub used by DeEd). It could be that the copy with DeEd 2.5 was not synced well the NTSC GOUT, so has a more-than-two frame difference at that point. However, there are sync issues on and off throughout all dubs, unrelated to frame issues. If it were related to the frame difference, you’d see it at every point past Luke’s last scene on Dagobah. If it’s specific to that scene, it sounds like a dub-sync issue (which may very well have sounded better a couple frames off, as this happens with dubs).

ChainsawAsh said:

I think the fact that you noticed a delay should prove that resyncing is required, whether it “should” or not.

Some dub resyncs are not possible because the sync of the dubbed dialogue is different than the sync of the underlying soundtrack. It’s unfortunate but true. You can sync “I’m sure he wasn’t on that thing when it blew” perfectly, and “He’s my brother” is off, and vice-versa. Or you sync to the soundtrack and maybe they’re both off!

Besides, even if lip sync isn’t as crucial in dubs, isn’t there still the issue of SFX/foley sync, which would need to be every bit as correct as the native language tracks?

They do need to be every bit as correct, but AFAICT there’s no point where a two-frame sync issue is noticeable in any of the three films, except in English dialogue. Specifically, except in Harrison Ford’s delivery of the English dialogue. Carrie Fisher can stand being two frames off. It’s that specific.