Quote
Originally posted by: Shimraa
ric i'd say that accidents happen, the people that shot him didnt know he was a legal person working there, all they saw was a tanned man running away from them after some bombs almost went off. i am sure they yelled at him to stop but he didnt
The guy was innocent. In the current climate, if I saw a bunch of plain clothes guys running towards me with guns at a train station, I would fucking run for my life too! And once they had tackled him to the ground, surely handcuffs would suffice. Unless he had his finger on a detonator, which he didn't.
And I am not going to get into the oil thing, but let me say this - I am Wite and British, born and bred, both my parents are also white and British, but, I can admit that if you go back throughout history, the west has shit all over these people and we are not innocent. I personally have not shit on the east, but my ancestors have. My ancestors shit all over the native Americans, they shit all over the Australian aborigines and they shit all over the islamic people. It doesn't excuse these bombers, nothing does, but are hands are not clean - even Ken Livingstone, the mayor of London, has made statements similar to the one I just made. Kick a dog long enough and he's gonna bite.
If they are gonna start shooting tanned people on the underground, I guess I better not sit out in the sun too long when I go on holiday. I would expect to hear a story like this in 1990's L.A, not London.
Quote
Originally posted by: oojason
Warbler - "*sigh* Is it really necessery to compare us with those the blow up subway stations and resturants and Hijack planes and fly them into building killing thousands of innocent people?"
As opposed to being compared to those (us - the West) who bomb cities and kill innocent civilians with bombs from planes at great heights?
And before Aeroplanes were invented, we would go over with swords - Crusades anyone?
Personally, I don't agree with waging war on me, my family and my city because of something that happened in the past, just like I think that the Irish should get over Northern Ireland. In the words of Ghandi, an eye for an eye will make everyone blind, my my point is that in their minds they have a point. This is revenge, just as the war on iraq is revenge for 9/11, no matter how America wants to sugar coat it.
P.S Before anyone starts calling me names, I am not an America hater - my wife is American and we are currently in the process of relocating to the U.S.A. What I am is an open minded person who can read history books.
Quote
Originally posted by: WarblerMost of time when we kill civilians, its because they are around a military target. Also when we do it, we have some sort of goal in mind, other than merely killing innocent people. The terrorists intentionally aim at killing civialians for no more reason than to do just that, kill civilian and scare everyone.
Well, they do it to get their point across. I don't agree with it, but it sure has got people discussing their P.O.V hasn't it?
We can argue all day over who is to blame, etc etc. I don't think it even matters who is to blame anymore. What Ric said about both sides being the bad guys is absolutely hitting the nail on the head. The bottom line is, this whole sorry mess sucks and I can't think of any way to fix it apart from letting mankind destroy itself and hope that whoever picks up the pieces will do a better job of running the planet than we have. War on terror – how can you wage war on a noun?