yotsuya = ronster 2, still digging that hole, whether he understands it or not. even now.
I don’t think yotsuya is dumb or anything, just that they don’t at all understand the telecine process. There’s a good video on it here:
In the video you can see at the 13:30 mark that the operator describes grading as “an essential part of telecine work”. Anyone who thinks that telecine transfers have little to no grading done to them is mistaken - you can see the process in the above video, and the operator is able as you see to make scene-by-scene adjustments in the “rehearsal” and save them to memory before running the actual transfer.
Yes, I watched that video and found it interesting that he said they can do transfers from negatives and intermediates so they don’t have to use old faded, scratched prints. (around 0:53). That kind of makes my point that the Definitive Collection was done from a fresh interpositive just has been often reported.
And far from thinking that the telecines have not been touched and are a pure tranfer, my point was that certain aspects of the body of telecines are consistent indicating that is what the prints looked like. There are some odd differences between the different telecines, but for the most part they give us a consistent picture of what the prints should look like, capturing them between 1982 and 1993 so many times.
Plus TN1 shared a grindhouse version - uncorrected. This again matches to the Telecines, not to the Technicolor. Yes, there are differences in each different telecine, but as a body, along with the scans of the 35 mm and 16 mm optical prints, they show a consistency of what the film should look like that is at odds with the very exact scans of the technicolor prints that very faithfully show us what those prints look like.
This video was made in late 80’s/early 90’s, before HD came along, and it shows a Rank Cintel Mk III which can do either 35mm or 16mm film. From what I can find, machines of that caliber had always been able to do both 35mm and 16mm film, back into the 60’s.