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Looks like I need to calibrate my babel fish.

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OK, I just calibrated my monitor.
The difference is astonishing.

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sorry, just going off to calibrate my colt 45 to be more like my beretta.

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If you aren’t calibrating your monitor, it won’t help. Out of curiosity, what brand, model, and resolution is your monitor?

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4k HDR samsung.

It is a cheaper model though.

the point is anyway if you were working in a studio or something of course everyone would have the same monitor.

If you are doing dual or more projection screens you make sure you have the same make and model to match.

Caliberate a monitor to somone elses monitor is nonsense. I even read a forum on why companies do not calibrate before sending out to customers and how depending on the light in the room all this bollocks. You also have specification to contend with now like HDR color depth resolution and so on.

You calibrate to match for a purpose but in an environment where everyone has a different make / model and specification or type OLEd / LED / LCD / Plasma / projector whatever utterly pointless it is the content that needs to be tailored.

you try calibrating an anti aircraft gun to be more like a machine gun never ever through calibration will you get the 2 things to match.

This is basically the truth.

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yeah, that’s what when i buy movies, i buy the edition designed for plasma hdtvs.

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that is actually the point though the content needs to be tailored to display well on numerous devices but we are now moving towards content specifically for say resolution and HDR and HFR and so on. Which is very different than before where it was one version for all displays now it is going towards tailoring content for the type of display.

when you say put 1500 LED panels together they calibrate to one another not what the light in the room is. Because they are individual displays that need to match one another to form a whole image.

That also means yes there is a calibration for the content going up on that 1500 panel wall. The content is calibrated to the display somewhat.

I should also mentiin you would need 1500 panels of the same make and model for it to work properly and match.

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Ronster said:

that is actually the point though the content needs to be tailored to display well on numerous devices

Which you do by setting a baseline standard and everyone doing their work starting from that standard.

That baseline standard?

A calibrated monitor.

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Star wars is just simply bad content though or defunct amunition we keep the gun comparison going.

different guns that fire the same type of ammunition are fine but the batch of ammunition is faulty.

Our screens are all fine but Star Wars looks pretty awful no matter what screen you have. (well I still like it but I know it can be better)

This is more true to the point than saying calibrating my monitor will make star wars look great. Calibrating a gun will make it fire the faulty ammunition. It is the same thing.

Fix the ammunition or content is the answer.

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Ronster said:

This is more true to the point than saying calibrating my monitor will make star wars look great.

Is that what you think we’ve been saying?!?!

No!

Calibrating your monitor will ensure that you’re looking at the same baseline everyone else is looking at, so when you make adjustments to change the color of the movie, we know we’re seeing what you’re seeing.

Right now, your “work” looks like such shit that we have to assume your monitor is all fucked up because we can’t imagine that you think any of your “corrections” look okay otherwise.

If you calibrated your monitor, then at least we’d know it’s your eyes that are fucked up so we can feel okay about ignoring everything you post since we clearly can’t help you any more.

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you forgot I was trying to shift using wrong type of filters and an image editor.

the only reference I would say I am pleased with is the Gout shifting (11 images) and the planet shot with small deathstar everytging else was exploration and trying to figure it out… So really i have been trying to find out how to fix it.

But if you don’t like the Gout shifts that i did then oh well.

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Ronster said:

But if you don’t like the Gout shifts that i did then oh well.

I’m really sorry to say that but… nobody likes the GOUT shifts that you did.
Because they are horrible.
Because you don’t accept to consider that calibrating your monitor is the first necessary step before trying to make color corrections.

But hey, you are just trolling, aren’t you ?

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no I like the way the Gout shifts look. It looks to me much much better than what the gout looks like without any changes.

if everyone hates that shut the thread. I don’t reall give a monkeys if you do or you don’t like it I do though.

But keep sticking with the red faces actors you only have to compare it to ESB or ROTJ to see it is totally wrong let alone any other film.

The very thing you are asking me to do over and over is circumnavigate that problem at a content level and not what it looks like on any particular screen. And I am being attacked for doing things differently. Had enough of the stupid jokers.

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Ronster said:

4k HDR samsung.

It is a cheaper model though.

the point is anyway if you were working in a studio or something of course everyone would have the same monitor.

If you are doing dual or more projection screens you make sure you have the same make and model to match.

Caliberate a monitor to somone elses monitor is nonsense. I even read a forum on why companies do not calibrate before sending out to customers and how depending on the light in the room all this bollocks. You also have specification to contend with now like HDR color depth resolution and so on.

You calibrate to match for a purpose but in an environment where everyone has a different make / model and specification or type OLEd / LED / LCD / Plasma / projector whatever utterly pointless it is the content that needs to be tailored.

you try calibrating an anti aircraft gun to be more like a machine gun never ever through calibration will you get the 2 things to match.

This is basically the truth.

In my field I deal with calibration a lot and I think you’re mistaken on how matching screens works.

Matching brand and model will help you get very close AFTER calibration. The same make and model can differ in chroma and luma values out of the factory. Even calibration won’t get you 100% similar. It’s like with asymptotes in analytic geometry, you are heading infinitely towards 0 on X or Y and never getting there fully.

Calibration is always approximate, it’s just that you can get that percentage of difference very very low depending on how complete and rigorous your methods are. Just because you won’t exactly match baseline, does not mean you shouldn’t try. Matching 98% is much better than matching 40%. I’ve had high-end professional monitors differ quite wildly despite matching make and model. I’ve seen monitors shift red over time without any settings having been changed and they need to be re-calibrated.

So, making media specific to screen tech is absurd. Two brands of OLED aren’t going to be the same out of the factory. Certain brands lean towards different color bias because of that company’s individual research and development. There are many factors that are involved besides just the base marketed tech of OLED, LCD, QLED, etc. There’s a lot of differing sub-design underneath that title. And like I implied before, there can just be uncontrollable variables in the manufacturing process that make the same models differ. You’d have to have media that’s specific to the serial number of your TV.

Screens are not calibrated in the factory, yes, partially because the lighting will different but mostly because automating that process would be difficult and expensive for very little return. Out of the millions of TVs sold, how many customers truly care about chroma/luma accuracy? The lighting would mostly just account for perceived luma shifts because of lighting reflecting off your screen or how closed/open your iris is because of the ambient light.

Any color differences would not be affected by differing lighting. You might see warm colors as stronger if you’re in a cooler lit room but that would shift to seem normal as you acclimate over 10 minutes or so.

The reason we have calibration is because that is the only available way to achieve consistency. The manufacturing process cannot guarantee matching images. It’s a tool decided upon because of no alternative methods available. There may be innovation in the future, but calibrated media is not part of that future. You cannot tailor home video to every unit because every unit is different.

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ZigZig said:

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This is Obamese for “Calibrate your monitor”

Reading R + L ≠ J theories

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I’m going to regret posting in here, but here goes.

No one is saying Callibration fixes the problems you are seeing with content. What everyone is saying is that without Callibration we cannot advise or comment on your changes. Callibration ensures that everyone is talking about the same thing, with a known point of reference.

https://www.exploratorium.edu/cooking/convert/measurements.html

When people talk about a ‘cup of sugar’ or ‘pint of water’ that is a known measurement that everyone can understand and measure by.

Likewise, when everyone is talking colour, callibrated monitors gives everyone a known baseline to work to. If you have a callibrated monitor, and I have a callibrated monitor, and I tell you that your image is ‘too red’ we know that we are both looking at the image the same way. If my monitor was not callibrated and over-pushed the reds, me telling you your image is ‘too red’ and you reducing the reds, means when someone else looks at the image, they will say ‘not enough red’.

If I am colour blind, would you trust my opinion on colour? No, because I see things different to you.

If you do not callibrate your monitor to a known standard, no one can help you because we don’t see the same colours as your monitor. We are looking at your changes on our monitors and our monitors display colours differently to yours.

I do not speak French, so I cannot critique your French writing. Without Callibrating your monitor we are speaking a different language.

If you don’t callibrate, no one can help you as no one sees what you see, and if no one can help you, there’s no point posting for help or comments.

Does any of that make sense to you?

Save London’s Curzon Soho Cinema

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ZigZig said:

I’m really sorry to say that but… nobody likes the GOUT shifts that you did.
Because they are horrible.

That’s not true. The GOUT adjustment (on page 6) didn’t look that bad. And it isn’t just my opinion, as Dr Dre said that “most of these look good”.

What I don’t understand in your stuff, Ronster, is your idea that the proper way to color correct something would always be “shifting the hue”. It’s never so simple !

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UnitéD2 said:

Dr Dre said that “most of these look good”.

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towne32 said:

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

You know in Star Wars where the actors have really red faces… That is what i am talking about.

Some here have remarked your corrections are too green and too dark, and I agree with them.