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Collipso said:

and here i thought you were going to drop it…

Sorry, curiosity got the better of me. But I did get it out of the Dr. Who thread. I don’t really want a long drawn out debate about the pros and cons of feminism. I certainly don’t want another debate about feminism and Dr. Who. It is just the way Frink stated what he said here:

TV’s Frink said:

Maybe he shouldn’t say stupid shit like “feminist agenda.”

It seemed like he had a problem with the mere use of the words “feminist agenda”. As I said above, I think it is clear that a feminist agenda does exist, be it good or bad. So I am just wondering what is wrong with the mere use of the words.

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“Agenda” sounds inherently nefarious, and saying “feminist agenda” strongly implies that the concept of feminism is something to be fought against.

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Perhaps the way I used it maybe. But I do think the term can be used in a way that doesn’t imply that it should be fought against. Remember an agenda isn’t always bad.

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Warbler said:

Perhaps the way I used it maybe. But I do think the term can be used in a way that doesn’t imply that it should be fought against.

It really can’t in this context.

Remember an agenda isn’t always bad.

Again, context. No one uses phrases like “feminist agenda” or “gay agenda” in any other context than antagonistic toward the group with said “agenda.”

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Warbler, how would you feel if every time a TV show had a married couple in them, people complained about a “Christian agenda” being shoved down their throats?

Wouldn’t you say it’s ridiculous to think that such a big group could have one big overarching agenda? And wouldn’t you be annoyed if the most extreme religious zealots were constantly depicted as stereotypes for all of Christianity?

It’s pretty much the same with feminism.

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Ooh, I hope Doctor Who becomes Christian in his/her next life.

The blue elephant in the room.

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The Doctor has seen too much to believe in any one religion. Some might even call that show a religion, the way it’s fostered a devoted cult over the past half-century.

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Handman said:

Some might even call that show a religion

Yeah people are wrong about stuff all the time

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Warbler said:

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

It’s stupid because you think that having a female lead is the equivalent of having a feminist agenda. It’s also obnoxious because it’s vague and pointless. If you see some kind of annoying feminist bullshit that you don’t like, then just call it that and explain why it’s wrong or stupid. That’s what I’d do. People would probably still disagree with you, but at least you’d be talking about reality.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

No one cares about this country’s stupid anthem. The problem here is that the man is calling for an end to reproductive rights, which is despicable. It would be just as despicable if he’d done it on a street corner or in a Youtube video.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

It’s stupid because you think that having a female lead is the equivalent of having a feminist agenda.

Nope, that is not what I think.

Warbler said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

No one cares about this country’s stupid anthem.

Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean nobody does.

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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/184934/and-why-not-a-metoo-guild

You have to create an account to see that. Can you give a brief summary of what that’s about?

It appears to have now been deleted, which isn’t surprising because they say politics are against the TOS and no one is allowed to even come close to talking about it. And that’s why you can’t see it anymore, there’s nothing there that requires an account to see.

OP wanted to start a guild for all women. Next post was something like “take your feminist agenda to the guild recruitment section like the rest of us” because it was posted in the wrong subforum. And I’m not even kidding, it happened today.

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For whatever reason people are misunderstanding the Warb. It wasn’t just that a woman leads a show. He didn’t like that a sociopolitical agenda was, at least in part, deciding the future of the show. And to be sure such an agenda was partly behind the gender switch. He’s been thus far happy the show isn’t making a big deal about it. Although, not making a fuss about it easily falls into the category of feminist agenda. Also, the show has been dominated by sociopolitical agendas for awhile now, so it’s rather late to complain overmuch about it.

To answer Frank seriously, if a long-established show returned to the air with committed Christian showrunners and they announced the star character was going to convert to Christianity, I bet you many people would be offended by the pereceived Christian agenda.

The blue elephant in the room.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Perhaps the way I used it maybe. But I do think the term can be used in a way that doesn’t imply that it should be fought against.

It really can’t in this context.

In what context? The context I was using it in? If so, ok. But the wording of Frink’s post implied a problem with the words themselves and not just in the context that I used them.

Remember an agenda isn’t always bad.

Again, context. No one uses phrases like “feminist agenda” or “gay agenda” in any other context than antagonistic toward the group with said “agenda.”

Perhaps it rarely happens, but no one?

If you look in up in a dictionary the word “agenda”, it neither implies negative or positive connotation.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler, how would you feel if every time a TV show had a married couple in them, people complained about a “Christian agenda” being shoved down their throats?

  1. that would be illogical since not are marriages are Christians. Many different religions include marriage. People of no faith get married.

  2. I would have to see the show itself to see if there is indeed a "Christian agenda’ being shoved down throats. I would to see if it is my kind of Christianity(I doubt it would be since I don’t believe in shoving down other peoples’ throats) or someone else’s version.

Wouldn’t you say it’s ridiculous to think that such a big group could have one big overarching agenda?

While different factions within the big group might have differing agendas(again be they good or bad), they are might have some agenda items in common.

And wouldn’t you be annoyed if the most extreme religious zealots were constantly depicted as stereotypes for all of Christianity?

That happens already.

It’s pretty much the same with feminism.

Except if you did it here, you get wisecracks from Frink and criticism from other members. If one complains of the same thing in regards to Christianity, you laughed at by the same people.

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Mrebo said:

For whatever reason people are misunderstanding the Warb. It wasn’t just that a woman leads a show. He didn’t like that a sociopolitical agenda was, at least in part, deciding the future of the show. And to be sure such an agenda was partly behind the gender switch. He’s been thus far happy the show isn’t making a big deal about it. Although, not making a fuss about it easily falls into the category of feminist agenda. Also, the show has been dominated by sociopolitical agendas for awhile now, so it’s rather late to complain overmuch about it.

To answer Frank seriously, if a long-established show returned to the air with committed Christian showrunners and they announced the star character was going to convert to Christianity, I bet you many people would be offended by the pereceived Christian agenda.

There is still a difference between making the protagonist a devoted Christian and making them a person that appeals to Christians (i.e. having strong family values). Likewise, having a female lead is something that appeals to feminists, but that doesn’t mean the main character has to be overly feminist.

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Frank you’ll never successfully shove your feminist agenda down anyone’s throat with that attitude.

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Psst, the first rule of the feminist agenda is “you do not talk about the feminist agenda”. Now guess what the second rule is.

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To make a show about it?

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TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/184934/and-why-not-a-metoo-guild

You have to create an account to see that. Can you give a brief summary of what that’s about?

It appears to have now been deleted, which isn’t surprising because they say politics are against the TOS and no one is allowed to even come close to talking about it. And that’s why you can’t see it anymore, there’s nothing there that requires an account to see.

OK. I assumed because it took me to a page demanding that I make an account.

OP wanted to start a guild for all women. Next post was something like “take your feminist agenda to the guild recruitment section like the rest of us” because it was posted in the wrong subforum. And I’m not even kidding, it happened today.

This must be a lie, because you say that the OP got deleted and I’m told that only conservatives are censored online. 😉

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

It’s stupid because you think that having a female lead is the equivalent of having a feminist agenda.

Nope, that is not what I think.

That’s been the crux of your commentary from the beginning. Forgive me for making that obvious connection.

Warbler said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

No one cares about this country’s stupid anthem.

Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean nobody does.

Right, but nobody should. If I weren’t so cowardly I would sit for the anthem, but I don’t want to get murdered by morons that pretend to love America by worshipping the flag.

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