Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.
That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.
My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.
Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be
Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.
It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.
You: “He never denounced them.”
Me: “Yes he did, see here.”
You: “It wasn’t enough.”
Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.
Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.
Keep deflecting.
Try again.
Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.
He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.
Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…
I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons
Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.
I mean it’s completely wacko and it’s the logic that contributed to the Democrats losing the last election and quite possibly the upcoming election, and also why mainstream media has lost the trust of much of the public, but at least it’s honest.
Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.
I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.
Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.
No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.
Why? It’ll just be more contrarian blather.
So what’s your problem then? And what, Am I not allowed to disagree with your shit without being a contrarian? How does that make me a contrarian? Plus you seem to the less popular opinion in this forum so how is me going after the less popular opinion contrarian?
Of course you can disagree. I’m just saying the discussion won’t be productive, as the last few pages of this thread have shown.
Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.
That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.
I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.
Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!
What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.
This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.
Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.
I didn’t imply parity between Pizzagate and Neo-Nazis. You inferred it—which you do quite often, and usually mistakenly, which is what happens when your emotions dictate your state of mind and you’re intent on finding boogeymen everywhere.
I inferred it because it was the obvious implication. And you find boogeymen too. Remember when I debunked your claim that Youtube was targeting conservatives with demonitization by offering several leftwing examples of demonitized channels? You just responded with a conspiracy theory that “the left” thought they had deviated too much, or something. How is that not a boogeyman?
You provided names and no data, and let it drop when I asked for further info. You debunked nothing.
I just found the obvious implication in your statement that conservatives repost Pizzagate and liberals repost Trump Nazi things. If I say that people will buy into anything, and then provide you with two examples, one being climate change and the other being faith healing, that implies that I’m equating the two or at least placing them on the same plane. Obviously.
Except that Trump…isn’t a Nazi…nor is he a sympathizer. The worst thing he seems to be guilty of in this scenario is not disavowing Nazis using the exact language you’d find acceptable. Not that it would change your mind in the slightest.
Also, I took back what I said about BLM, which wasn’t equating them to white nationalists, but Antifa, which was a mistake because they’re not equivalent. But feel free to interpret it in whatever way best fits your argument so you can continue to label me as “far-right” or “on the wrong side of history” or whatever other looney lefty slogan strikes you.
You equated BLM to Antifa, which you were equating to white nationalists. You did take it back when I pointed out how terrible and inaccurate the equation was. So I guess you deserve a little credit for that.
Far-right isn’t a slogan. It’s a clearly-defined term that is relevant to the discussion. As for history, I don’t think you have any grasp of this country’s history, especially given your confusion on black history over the last sixty years where you couldn’t figure out why blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat and instead offered a revisionist history explanation from a far-right commentator (again, why do we all think you’re far-right?) about how Republicans are actually the lesser of the two evils for Black America.
I think I understand why most blacks have traditionally voted Democrat and don’t require a history lesson from you, thanks. Same reasons I did, mostly. I just don’t think it has paid off for them. And with the left doubling down on identity politics while continuing to paint minorities and women as victims instead of individuals with agency, I don’t see why things would change in the future, so denying the Democratic Party their votes is really the only message they can send. I don’t think I suggested that blacks should vote Republican instead, though I could be wrong. Staying home on election day would send an effective message.
And once again, I’ve allowed myself to get sucked into this line-by-line war of attrition, so I’m letting this go.