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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Star Wars used to be more fun.

Considering this site was made in 2003, I don’t see how that’s relevant to the discussion.

I think the griping about this forum is silly, but Star Wars fandom was in a better place before Disney. It is also silly to pretend - pretending is all the rage, especially pretend rage - that the recent movies haven’t had a deleterious impact here that the prequels didn’t really have.

When there were no new movies out, no one gave a shit. I’ll give you that, the site was much more laid back because of it. Now fans are losing their minds every year because their childhoods are ruined. So there’s a bit more tension, as there’s much less consensus on the films themselves than with the prequels (where most everyone agreed they were bad).

Saying “Star Wars fandom was in a better place before Disney” just seems outright silly though. I’d argue online discourse in general has gotten more hyperbolic and polarizing over the years, which is a much bigger factor.

We agree on your first paragraph and on increased polarization in general. Both points I made in my fashion.

You didn’t really though? At least not in the post I quoted.

I did in the post that preceded your response. You likely didn’t see it before, but it’s there since this post.

You have a thread seemingly open to arguments about the best time in Star Wars. (To be fair I know your question there was essentially rhetorical.)

I’m not sure what about the question was rhetorical, and my thread didn’t really have anything to do with the “fandom” or this forum. I don’t care about the concept of “fandom” and don’t personally identify with it. There’s a difference between the content and how the fans respond to it.

It was a thread about the best time in Star Wars, as I said. Or as you titled it, “Is Star Wars ‘Better Than It’s Ever Been’?” I took that in the same sense I’ve been using “Star Wars” to refer to the content and the fan response, the latter referenced several times in your initial post of that thread.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

If you say so.

Nevermind.

If you like the OOT, you should get the OOT in HD. Disney is not going to release it, so your only choice is from fan preservations or edits—which you can only get if you have the best source they use. It’s your choice to not do that, but your only other option is VHS, laserdisc, or the 2006 SE DVD bonus discs (the GOUT), which are sourced from the laserdisc transfer (hence the mention earlier).

And that’s it. You can bitch about not having the Star Wars you want; or you can get the Star Wars you want by using the means available to you, learn to be content with it, and thus stop bitching. We’re lucky the HD preservations of the OOT exist at all. Being on a high horse about not paying for SEs doesn’t help you obtain versions that are not the SEs. Versions that are available now, today.

…you could also just not like Star Wars, not watch Star Wars, and not care. Then you don’t have to bother with what people do or don’t say about why people do or don’t like it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

If you say so.

Nevermind.

If you like the OOT, you should get the OOT in HD. Disney is not going to release it, so your only choice is from fan preservations or edits—which you can only get if you have the best source they use. It’s your choice to not do that, but your only other option is VHS, laserdisc, or the 2006 SE DVD bonus discs (the GOUT), which are sourced from the laserdisc transfer (hence the mention earlier).

And that’s it. You can bitch about not having the Star Wars you want; or you can get the Star Wars you want by using the means available to you, learn to be content with it, and thus stop bitching. We’re lucky the HD preservations of the OOT exist at all. Being on a high horse about not paying for SEs doesn’t help you obtain versions that are not the SEs. Versions that are available now, today.

…you could also just not like Star Wars, not watch Star Wars, and not care. Then you don’t have to bother with what people do or don’t say about why people do or don’t like it.

It used to be no one here thought my attitude about not giving any money to an se release was “being on a high horse”

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

If you say so.

Nevermind.

If you like the OOT, you should get the OOT in HD. Disney is not going to release it, so your only choice is from fan preservations or edits—which you can only get if you have the best source they use. It’s your choice to not do that, but your only other option is VHS, laserdisc, or the 2006 SE DVD bonus discs (the GOUT), which are sourced from the laserdisc transfer (hence the mention earlier).

And that’s it. You can bitch about not having the Star Wars you want; or you can get the Star Wars you want by using the means available to you, learn to be content with it, and thus stop bitching. We’re lucky the HD preservations of the OOT exist at all. Being on a high horse about not paying for SEs doesn’t help you obtain versions that are not the SEs. Versions that are available now, today.

…you could also just not like Star Wars, not watch Star Wars, and not care. Then you don’t have to bother with what people do or don’t say about why people do or don’t like it.

It used to be no one here thought my attitude about not given any money to an se release was “being on a high horse”

You ever consider doing what I did? Buy them used on Ebay.

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SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

If you say so.

Nevermind.

If you like the OOT, you should get the OOT in HD. Disney is not going to release it, so your only choice is from fan preservations or edits—which you can only get if you have the best source they use. It’s your choice to not do that, but your only other option is VHS, laserdisc, or the 2006 SE DVD bonus discs (the GOUT), which are sourced from the laserdisc transfer (hence the mention earlier).

And that’s it. You can bitch about not having the Star Wars you want; or you can get the Star Wars you want by using the means available to you, learn to be content with it, and thus stop bitching. We’re lucky the HD preservations of the OOT exist at all. Being on a high horse about not paying for SEs doesn’t help you obtain versions that are not the SEs. Versions that are available now, today.

…you could also just not like Star Wars, not watch Star Wars, and not care. Then you don’t have to bother with what people do or don’t say about why people do or don’t like it.

It used to be no one here thought my attitude about not given any money to an se release was “being on a high horse”

You ever consider doing what I did? Buy them used on Ebay.

nah.

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I tried.

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Where were you in '77?

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Mrebo said:

You have a thread seemingly open to arguments about the best time in Star Wars. (To be fair I know your question there was essentially rhetorical.)

I’m not sure what about the question was rhetorical, and my thread didn’t really have anything to do with the “fandom” or this forum. I don’t care about the concept of “fandom” and don’t personally identify with it. There’s a difference between the content and how the fans respond to it.

It was a thread about the best time in Star Wars, as I said. Or as you titled it, “Is Star Wars ‘Better Than It’s Ever Been’?” I took that in the same sense I’ve been using “Star Wars” to refer to the content and the fan response, the latter referenced several times in your initial post of that thread.

When I think of Star Wars I don’t really think of the fandom at all. The title wasn’t the best “time” in Star Wars, which would potentially imply that, but whether Star Wars is “better than ever,” which in my mind narrows it down to the content. I only talked about fans in my first post insofar as the general popularity of the series and hype pertained to my own excitement. I didn’t say anything about the community, if anything I was talking about how it’s not just an insular “community.”

From my second post in the thread

DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’d say it might be if every nerd wasn’t at another’s throat 110% of the time because of it.

That’s a very good point, though I guess I was mainly thinking content-wise. Certainly the internet discourse is probably worse than it’s ever been, though I’ll say my in-person discussions have grown and they’re usually pretty pleasant, even if we’re not always entirely on the same page.

I mean if you want to talk about the “fandom” in that thread that’s fine, but I was definitely coming at it from the perspective of the content, mostly because my own experience with the “fandom” is entirely nonexistent (I have had interactions with other people who like the series of course, but have no involvement whatsoever in the fan “community,” beyond I suppose being a member here, which I wouldn’t count*), and I myself have only been alive for roughly half the saga’s life. It’s hard for me to judge what I didn’t experience, but all the content overtime can be looked at easily.

*this conversation started about the quality of discussion on this forum as whole over time, which I think is only tangentially related to the state of the “fandom” in general at best

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I tried.

I don’t want to buy a copy of the se, new or used.

Then dumpster-dive or stop complaining.

Nope. I think I’ll keep complaining until the OOT is given the release that it deserves. You all remember what site you are on, right? You all know the original purpose of the forum, right?

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Yes, but what has Disney/Lucasfilm done for years but duck the question if they bother to acknowledge the issue at all? The OOT is abandonware as far as I’m concerned. Buying the official discs used doesn’t put any money in their pockets.

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it’s virtually impossible for one to own the sources of TN1’s releases though. ever given any of their projects a try warb? even though i still think you should own the SE in some sort.

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Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

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Yeah, while I wouldn’t advertise it on the forum openly, I personally think that if you’ve bought any home video release, then a 35mm restoration project like 4K77 is fair game.

Granted, that’s technically against forum rules, so like I said - I wouldn’t advertise it.

If you own the 2006 GOUT DVD, though, you’re for sure in the clear to get GOUT-based projects like Dark_Jedi’s anamorphic cleanups and HD upscales.

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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

You have a thread seemingly open to arguments about the best time in Star Wars. (To be fair I know your question there was essentially rhetorical.)

I’m not sure what about the question was rhetorical, and my thread didn’t really have anything to do with the “fandom” or this forum. I don’t care about the concept of “fandom” and don’t personally identify with it. There’s a difference between the content and how the fans respond to it.

It was a thread about the best time in Star Wars, as I said. Or as you titled it, “Is Star Wars ‘Better Than It’s Ever Been’?” I took that in the same sense I’ve been using “Star Wars” to refer to the content and the fan response, the latter referenced several times in your initial post of that thread.

When I think of Star Wars I don’t really think of the fandom at all. The title wasn’t the best “time” in Star Wars, which would potentially imply that, but whether Star Wars is “better than ever,” which in my mind narrows it down to the content. I only talked about fans in my first post insofar as the general popularity of the series and hype pertained to my own excitement. I didn’t say anything about the community, if anything I was talking about how it’s not just an insular “community.”

From my second post in the thread

DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’d say it might be if every nerd wasn’t at another’s throat 110% of the time because of it.

That’s a very good point, though I guess I was mainly thinking content-wise. Certainly the internet discourse is probably worse than it’s ever been, though I’ll say my in-person discussions have grown and they’re usually pretty pleasant, even if we’re not always entirely on the same page.

I mean if you want to talk about the “fandom” in that thread that’s fine, but I was definitely coming at it from the perspective of the content, mostly because my own experience with the “fandom” is entirely nonexistent (I have had interactions with other people who like the series of course, but have no involvement whatsoever in the fan “community,” beyond I suppose being a member here, which I wouldn’t count*), and I myself have only been alive for roughly half the saga’s life. It’s hard for me to judge what I didn’t experience, but all the content overtime can be looked at easily.

*this conversation started about the quality of discussion on this forum as whole over time, which I think is only tangentially related to the state of the “fandom” in general at best

This is somewhat tangential at this point as I was responding to one particular statement of yours. You’re straining to say you weren’t speaking about the best “time” in Star Wars. You ask in your thread, “With that out of the way, has there ever been a better time for the series?”

You say you were thinking “mainly” about content. Fair enough, but you also had a full paragraph about popularity and excitement, which goes beyond quality of content. It can be related but isn’t necessarily.

And you wrap up with, “Whatever you think of some of the movies, this is inarguably an exciting time. Is it the most exciting time?”

So even setting aside “some of the movies” you ask about excitement.

Back to your statement: “Saying ‘Star Wars fandom was in a better place before Disney’ just seems outright silly though.”

As I said, you have a thread (at least partially) related to that question.

I guess I’d be curious to know why you think Star Wars fandom is better (or the same?) since Disney.

The blue elephant in the room.

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ChainsawAsh said:

If you own the 2006 GOUT DVD, though, you’re for sure in the clear to get GOUT-based projects like Dark_Jedi’s anamorphic cleanups and HD upscales.

Assuming he has the GOUT, but he’d have to buy the 2006 SEs to get the 2006 GOUT that comes with it.

Can confirm though, that GOUT upscales really are pretty good experiences.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Possessed said:

Can we just end this conversation. Warb just wants to pout and isn’t willing to do anything to get himself a way to watch the oot in HD. If he’d rather watch laserdisc transfers and pout then let him but we don’t have to read him bitch about it.

If you want to end the conversation end it. But I don’t think I’ve been pouting in my last few posts here.

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chyron8472 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

If you own the 2006 GOUT DVD, though, you’re for sure in the clear to get GOUT-based projects like Dark_Jedi’s anamorphic cleanups and HD upscales.

Assuming he has the GOUT, but he’d have to buy the 2006 SEs to get the 2006 GOUT that comes with it.

Can confirm though, that GOUT upscales really are pretty good experiences.

As disappointing as the GOUT DVDs were, they actually aren’t terrible compared to some other DVDs of the time. There were DVDs, like Home Alone, that were non-anamorphic and looked even worse than the GOUT.

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If we’re talking, like, 1997-2000 era DVDs, sure. There was no excuse for that shit in 2006.