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Can’t see the connection between:

There’s a credible accusation of a serious crime, complete with a witness and some corroborating accounts. And… an independent nonpartisan investigation is performed before anyone is convicted or vindicated!

…and…

The system is broken.

Sounds to me like the system surprised everyone and started working today. So yay for small favors.

Potentially, that is. Technically it’s a one-week delay and a request for an FBI investigation. Trump can still stonewall at the executive level, and then they’d be voting a week later with no investigation. And I can’t say Flake would be willing to vote No simply due to lack of an investigation. So the system would be broken as you said, if no investigation were done in spite of the request for one.

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CatBus said:

Sounds to me like the system surprised everyone and started working today. So yay for small favors.

Sorry, I hadn’t read that most recent development. Good on Flake for at least doing something.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

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I support citizens confronting their bought-and-paid-for, fraudulent representatives.

I doubt that the lady who confronted him is from Arizona.

His votes still have the power to disrupt all of our lives.

Yeah, but he represents the overwhelmingly conservative state of Arizona. He’s more beholden to them than some lady who corners him in a elevator.

When you physically block the elevator, you’ve crossed the line.

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Warbler said:

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I support citizens confronting their bought-and-paid-for, fraudulent representatives.

I doubt that the lady who confronted him is from Arizona.

His votes still have the power to disrupt all of our lives.

Yeah, but he represents the overwhelmingly conservative state of Arizona. He’s more beholden to them than some lady who corners him in a elevator.

When you physically block the elevator, you’ve crossed the line.

Lol, what a weak line. “It’s okay as long as you don’t block an elevator. That’s just going too far!” What a joke.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

the important thing is that women have to earn the right to be believed, am i right?

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Victims of sexual assault are everywhere, they’re just more likely to talk to you about the weather than their assault, so you’d never know under most circumstances. Even if they’re your mother, sister, or daughter. 56% of Native American women have reported experiencing sexual violence. Lower rates for other demographic groups, but it’s not an uncommon crime anywhere.

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It’s very, very common. Men and women everywhere have experienced it and (understandably) kept it to themselves.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

the important thing is that women have to earn the right to be believed, am i right?

I still don’t know what your point is. I don’t automatically believe total strangers be they men or women(nor do I automatically assume they are liars)

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

the important thing is that women have to earn the right to be believed, am i right?

Since when is this individual representative of half the world’s population? I believe her, but not unconditionally.

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CatBus said:

Victims of sexual assault are everywhere, they’re just more likely to talk to you about the weather than their assault, so you’d never know under most circumstances. Even if they’re your mother, sister, or daughter. 56% of Native American women have reported experiencing sexual violence. Lower rates for other demographic groups, but it’s not an uncommon crime anywhere.

I don’t necessarily dispute any of that. It doesn’t mean the woman the that confronted the Senator was telling the truth(it doesn’t mean she was lying either). I bet people whom are not victims of sexual assault are also everywhere.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

the important thing is that women have to earn the right to be believed, am i right?

I don’t think anyone has the right to be believed.

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Everyone is questioning whether Ford is mis-remembering. But I don’t understand why nobody has brought up the possibility that Kavanaugh is mis-remembering? That seems far more likely to me, since multiple people have said that he had a history of getting drunk and it affecting his personality. It also isn’t uncommon for people who were drunk to not remember what they did while they were drunk.

If it can be shown that in fact he was often drunk, then the “he-said-she-said” balance would seem to tip in HER favor.

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Nobody that wants him confirmed is going to want to go down that road, even if a photo turns up of him looking totally wasted.
I don’t drink, never have been a drinker, but some of my friends and classmates did incredibly dumb things where alcohol was involved back in college. My best friend had a house party, and got into one of those stupid drinking games with a couple girls he liked, and passed out. That ended the party pretty quick. You never saw a house party clear out that fast.
Nothing else happened beyond that, but it’s a miracle he didn’t die that night. He had no memory of that night afterwards. Sadly, I was the only person who was willing to tell him what happened.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Everyone is questioning whether Ford is mis-remembering.

Just so it is clear, I wasn’t talking about Ford in these last few posts, I was referring to the woman(women?) that confronted the Senator in the Elevator earlier today.

But I don’t understand why nobody has brought up the possibility that Kavanaugh is mis-remembering? That seems far more likely to me, since multiple people have said that he had a history of getting drunk and it affecting his personality. It also isn’t uncommon for people who were drunk to not remember what they did while they were drunk.

Even if he did lose some of his memory while drunk, it doesn’t prove he assaulted her.

If it can be shown that in fact he was often drunk, then the “he-said-she-said” balance would seem to tip in HER favor.

It has to be more than just drunk, it has to be that he was often so drunk that it effected his memory to the point that he could sexually assault someone without remembering it. Again, just because he has some periods where he lost his memory due to extreme drunkenness, doesn’t prove he sexually assaulted her.

What I don’t understand is how everyone is going on about how the memory works of someone who is sexually assaulted, how someone could remember the who, but the where or when. Yet no one seems to be asking just how does the memory of someone extremely drunk work? How possible is it to get extremely drunk and sexually assault someone and not remember it, to have to recollection of it at all. I would think that I might forget some details, but I think I remember that I did something extremely bad, I’d think I’d at least remember considering doing it. I don’t think I’d totally forget it though. Might be nice if they did someone research on that.

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Wouldn’t a history of alcoholism be a disqualifying factor in of itself?

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SilverWook said:

Wouldn’t a history of alcoholism be a disqualifying factor in of itself?

Not if it is passed history. People have been known to have a problem with alcohol and overcome it later on. Remember you are talking about a history of extremely drinking when he was a teenager. I have heard no one say that he still has a drinking problem. Does extreme drinking necessarily = alcoholism?

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Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

Ahahahahaha holy shit Warbler.

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Well she could be. I mean its not like hiring actors has never been done.

But I’m not sure how likely that is either. I guess if someone recognized her and tied her to some acting guild that would do.

K. Let’s have this ride.

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Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

I can help wondering if she really is a sexual assault survivor or some sort of actor.

i can’t help but wonder if all the senators are really senators or just some sort of actor.

Pretty sure they are all really senators. It is kinda difficult to fake being a senator. They each have to run for state wide election. Their faces are well known in their states.

Any female can say they are a sexual assault survivor.

yeah, they love to play the victim, am i right?

I don’t know what your point is. We know nothing about this woman that confronted the Senator. We have no idea if she is a victim or sexual assault or not. She could be some nut. Or someone in the Dems put her up to it. Who knows.

Ahahahahaha holy shit Warbler.

Thanks for your thoughtful response and attempt to engage in meaningful dialogue. Exactly what this thread has been missing.

10/10

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Trident said:

Well she could be. I mean its not like hiring actors has never been done.

But I’m not sure how likely that is either. I guess if someone recognized her and tied her to some acting guild that would do.

And the probability of hiring an actor who just happened to also be a sexual assault survivor is significant as well. “Hired activist prop” is not a 100% overlap with “not a survivor”.

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