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DrDre said:

Moving away from the whole ST debate, I think the bigger question is, whether Star Wars will be able to move beyond the Skywalker Saga? For over four decades Star Wars and the Skywalkers have been more or less synonymous in the movieverse.

This is a really great question. I think content like Knights of the Old Republic was extremely popular, and it featured no Skywalker’s, so I definitely think the franchise can survive without them.

Just create an interesting world with relatable characters with just a hint of those familiar elements, like weird aliens, droids, the Force, etc. and I think the franchise could really evolve in interesting ways. Really Star Wars has to evolve beyond that to survive into the future.

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RogueLeader said:

Yeah, I think the wording of the TLJ crawl (and the TFA crawl) could have been done a little differently to clarify the situation better.

I like to think that even though the FO is only a fraction of the size of the old empire (and looks like putting a lot of their money into projects, like SKB and the Supremacy, and upgrading old Empire tech rather than just being at the same unit size of the Galactic Empire), they’re extremely organized and have planned for this moment for years.

With the New Republic, I picture it as if the attack on Pearl Harbor was more successful.

The whole issue with the New Republic was that they didn’t want to create a large standing army like the Galactic Republic had at the outbreak of the Clone Wars, because they felt it gave the centralized government so much authority that it allowed the Republic to become a totalitarian regime in the first place. They understandably feared that happening again, and thought their biggest threat was long gone.

The New Republic did have their own defense force, but nowhere near the scale of the Clone Wars era Republic or the Empire. The New Republic was set up to rely more on the defense forces of the different planetary systems within their government, rather than have its own huge military.

And although they did take out a significant portion of the New Republic fleet, the most important thing was that they also destroyed their leadership.
So while all of combined defense forces of the different Republic worlds might be larger than the FO, they are disorganized and now more worried about defending their own worlds against this military junta that’s united and prepared. It’s a divide and conquer strategy.

That’s why Leia and Luke are such a threat to them. The idea of the Jedi could reunite the galaxy, and Leia knows that.

So I kind of wish that was more of the wording of the opening crawl, not that all of the ships in the entire Republic were destroyed, but the destruction of the Senate basically divided whatever forces were left into disarray.

So to me, I think the elements are there, but them being afraid of delving into politics really hurt the clarification of the situation. And I think proper opening crawls, a deletion of a line or two, and maybe the addition of one or two deleted scenes of Leia could’ve helped address some questions people had.

And from what I understand, actually making Luke the McGuffin of TFA wasn’t JJ’s idea.

I get what you’re saying Collipso, but in that moment Leia has lost all hope, which make Luke coming back to reignite that hope makes it so powerful.

Good post! I think providing a bit more context would have really helped to connect past and present events, whilst also highlighting some of the differences between this conflict and the previous one.

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RogueLeader said:

DrDre said:

Moving away from the whole ST debate, I think the bigger question is, whether Star Wars will be able to move beyond the Skywalker Saga? For over four decades Star Wars and the Skywalkers have been more or less synonymous in the movieverse.

This is a really great question. I think content like Knights of the Old Republic was extremely popular, and it featured no Skywalker’s, so I definitely think the franchise can survive without them.

Just create an interesting world with relatable characters with just a hint of those familiar elements, like weird aliens, droids, the Force, etc. and I think the franchise could really evolve in interesting ways. Really Star Wars has to evolve beyond that to survive into the future.

Agreed!

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DrDre said:

Moving away from the whole ST debate, I think the bigger question is, whether Star Wars will be able to move beyond the Skywalker Saga? For over four decades Star Wars and the Skywalkers have been more or less synonymous in the movieverse.

it’s interesting because when i think of ‘Star Wars’ i think of the original, then of the star wars trilogy, and then of the complements of that story. what dom said above is something i think several of us think. the OT is Star Wars, as in that is Luke’s story, the main story. that’s what it was about. the PT is how the status quo of that story came to be and the ST is just a continuation. so in a way Star Wars actually ended in 1983 (or even 1977 to some) and the rest is complement. i don’t think it’s going to be hard to take the further step of focusing on different stories set in the same universe. i think it’s going to be something like what Fantastic Beasts was to Harry Potter.

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Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Moving away from the whole ST debate, I think the bigger question is, whether Star Wars will be able to move beyond the Skywalker Saga? For over four decades Star Wars and the Skywalkers have been more or less synonymous in the movieverse.

it’s interesting because when i think of ‘Star Wars’ i think of the original, then of the star wars trilogy, and then of the complements of that story. what dom said above is something i think several of us think. the OT is Star Wars, as in that is Luke’s story, the main story. that’s what it was about. the PT is how the status quo of that story came to be and the ST is just a continuation. so in a way Star Wars actually ended in 1983 (or even 1977 to some) and the rest is complement. i don’t think it’s going to be hard to take the further step of focusing on different stories set in the same universe. i think it’s going to be something like what Fantastic Beasts was to Harry Potter.

In a way the entire franchise has been held hostage by the OT since 1983, and almost every piece of what is now considered canon is in the service of those films.

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i get what you’re saying but i don’t think it’s that much of a jump to go from a direct complement of the OT to an indirect one.

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Collipso said:

i get what you’re saying but i don’t think it’s that much of a jump to go from a direct complement of the OT to an indirect one.

I’m not sure future canon should complement the OT at all. There are certain elements that make up the universe, but for once I would like to see a story completely divorced from the narrative trappings of the OT.

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I think we do sort of equate Star Wars to characters like Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Darth Vader, but if Lucasfilm begins to tell new stories in a totally different time period with fresh characters, I think that will be what Star Wars is for a whole new generation of fans.

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DrDre said:

Collipso said:

i get what you’re saying but i don’t think it’s that much of a jump to go from a direct complement of the OT to an indirect one.

I’m not sure future canon should complement the OT at all. There are certain elements that make up the universe, but for once I would like to see a story completely divorced from the narrative trappings of the OT.

any story set in the universe is going to complement the OT one way or the other by at the very least expanding the universe. that’s my point.

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Wow, I wasn’t picking fights on my first day. Back in my day people made accounts, asked for MySpleen referrals, and left!

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i was asking for darthrush’s rotj in my first day. i’m one month and a half away from completing a 1 year anniversary! 😃

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BiggsFan44 said:

Anchorhead said:

BiggsFan44 said:

What does time on this forum have to do with it?

Quite a bit.

Disagree.

I mean, I’d imagine someone who’s been here more than a decade with a couple thousand posts under his belt without getting banned is slightly less likely to be a troll than someone who just created an account then made a thread where he bitches at anyone who disagrees with him, but that’s just me.

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Can the movies have unreliable narrators? Lucas has always said that R2 and 3PO are telling the story.

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darklordoftech said:

Can the movies have unreliable narrators? Lucas has always said that R2 and 3PO are telling the story.

That brings to mind the question of the finer details of what Threepio told the Ewoks.

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ChainsawAsh said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Anchorhead said:

BiggsFan44 said:

What does time on this forum have to do with it?

Quite a bit.

Disagree.

I mean, I’d imagine someone who’s been here more than a decade with a couple thousand posts under his belt without getting banned is slightly less likely to be a troll than someone who just created an account then made a thread where he bitches at anyone who disagrees with him, but that’s just me.

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