Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.
I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”
It seemed pretty obvious to me and most other people that actually looked at it objectively.
I did though? I had never heard of Dykstra and was actually a fan of Hardwick’s. I’ve yet to see anything that doesn’t fit the story as described by her.
There’s no corroborating evidence, in fact, all other testimony contradicts her claims. Plus, all of her known behavior during their relationship implies her as an “abusive” partner. There’s reason to believe that she resented him ending the relationship. She’s mentally ill and has a long history of lying. There is no reason to believe that she’s telling the truth, and there’s compelling evidence to believe that she’s lying. I don’t get why that’s such an unbelievable possibility.
Just because no evidence has been presented doesn’t mean none exists. As for the rest I’d be interested to see citations. But I will say the story she published would seem to suggest that her apparent “mental illness” was either caused by or not helped by the relationship. For me, hearing Hardwick’s coworkers come out and say “that sounds about right” seems pretty damning, but I don’t know everything. Just seems insane to me to say “she’s obviously lying.” Never said it was an impossibility that she is but just doesn’t seem likely to me.
Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.
The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.
I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.
How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?
You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.
It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)
Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.
Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.
I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.
I’m not sure what you mean by me “disregarding.” I disagree a lot. But I don’t disregard someone else’s experiences. I don’t know why you’re so nihilistic but I’m sure there’s a reason. Doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with you.
You were pretty quick to throw aside my take on 13 Reasons Why a while back, and there’ve been other times too. It’s okay, we all do it.
Well it was unfair of me to discredit your perspective without considering that it might be a factor, but in fairness that’s exactly what you were doing with your take, basically saying anyone who didn’t see things the same way you did was wrong.
I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.
That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that these producers were in tears over this comment. I find that hard to believe. Just like if I told you that I was in tears over Warbler’s insults, you’d find that extremely hard to believe. Not literally impossible, but so implausible that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t get why you’re acting as though it’s totally reasonable to think that multiple big-shot producers on the Tonight Show are unstable that they broke down into tears and started crying over this statement. Do you really think that that happened? Really? If someone held a gun to your head and said, “Do you really think that those producers started crying over that statement? Answer yes or no!” would you even have to think twice about your answer?
I know you well enough to know that an insult from warb wouldn’t provoke that reaction. But these people who were supposedly crying, I know nothing about them. It’s honestly ridiculous to me that we’re even talking about this.
Right! And I know that anyone strong and cutthroat enough to climb the corporate ladder and become a producer for the biggest late night talk show on American TV isn’t breaking down in tears over Norm Macdonald. Is it possible that a producer could cry over this? Yes. Is it likely? No.
There are a lot of ways one can be “strong,” and a lot of ways to become a producer without being “cutthroat.”
I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.
I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m talking about it now because I have nothing else to do at the moment. I certainly am not going to be spending this time working. You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.
Oh I know you don’t care. I was talking about Handman.
I don’t see how that invalidates anything. Imagine how annoying it would be if every time you complained about something, someone was there to point out how you shouldn’t actually care. Have a little empathy.
I don’t know where invalidating comes into play, but it does seem strange to me that someone could get into a minor tizzy over a story told third hand about someone else allegedly crying, as if it was the end of western civilization. Maybe it’s just internet outrage culture encouraging everyone to have an extreme reaction to everything. Maybe Handman really did have a genuine emotional reaction to the story. And I guess I could try to understand it - if you were bullied for crying as a kid, and then became an adult who was forced to always suck it up, to see someone in a successful position not following those rules you thought mandatory and for no one else to have a problem with that, I can see how that might be infuriating. And maybe this is off base and inappropriate armchair psychoanalyzing but I’m just trying to make sense of it (for my own sake, if nothing else). I can’t comprehend why someone would care so much about someone else crying, and yet someone does (or did). At the end of the day, though, as I keep saying, doesn’t mean I can’t disagree.