Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments
This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.
Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.
The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.
How the hell were his comments reasonable?
It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.
I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.
Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.
He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.
He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.
Those examples imply that he was talking about the ones that weren’t that bad, and not talking about people like Spacey or Cosby or Weinstein, who are the real dangerous people.
Either way, he’s discounting the experiences of those abused. I’d like to believe he was telling the truth in his apology when he said he didn’t mean it that way. But that’s still how it came across.
Okay. That’s his problem. I don’t see the need to boot him off shows for that. That’s my point. There’s plenty of people that I hate showing up on TV and in movies. I deal with it.
Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?
He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.
Did he actually prove she was lying though? Or did they just not prove she wasn’t not not lying?
He proved that her allegations were completely unfounded and incongruent with how their relationship actually was, especially since it was well documented that she was the “abusive” (if you want to use that word) one in the relationship before it ended.
Unless I missed something, I don’t think some break up texts really an really prove everything you say they do.
She also cheated on him and resented that he ended their relationship.
Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.
The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.
I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.
How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?
You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.
It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)
Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.
Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.
I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.
I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.
That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that these producers were in tears over this comment. I find that hard to believe. Just like if I told you that I was in tears over Warbler’s insults, you’d find that extremely hard to believe. Not literally impossible, but so implausible that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t get why you’re acting as though it’s totally reasonable to think that multiple big-shot producers on the Tonight Show are unstable that they broke down into tears and started crying over this statement. Do you really think that that happened? Really? If someone held a gun to your head and said, “Do you really think that those producers started crying over that statement? Answer yes or no!” would you even have to think twice about your answer?
I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.
I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m talking about it now because I have nothing else to do at the moment. I certainly am not going to be spending this time working. You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.
Also, that’s not what producers do. Like, at all.
It was just my summation.
You’re talking about a different job entirely.
Well, I fuck everything up so that’s okay. What do you expect?