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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I thought we were talking about Macdonald, Louis CK and Roseanne Barr. No one was hurt by Macdonald or Roseanne and I don’t think that anyone was really hurt by Louis CK either, to be honest. Me Too uncovered some monsters, which is good, but it also encouraged a lot of fraudulent accusations like the ones against Aziz Ansari and Chris Hardwick. I’m glad that “time’s up” for the sexual harassers in the industry, but I also think that the whole public trial for anything resembling sexual misconduct is a terrible idea and I hope that we’re done with that.

You have to be kidding me about CK. That shit was fucked up and certainly could not insignificant emotional distress at the very least. I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.

As for public trial? Does it really matter? Hardwick’s back in the same spot he left. CK’s performing stand up again. That’s where comments like Norm’s are bullshit. The perpetrator’s lives and careers are doing just fine.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

Is it crucifying to cancel a single show appearance literally the day after he said those comments? Presumably his career will be just fine without one Tonight Show appearance.

I don’t think they should cancel anything. Fallon could’ve torn into him about what he said or something if it disturbed him that much. I didn’t say his career would be over either, but this shit sets bad precedence. People say stupid shit every day. All of us say stupid shit on a daily basis. I don’t like shutting people down over that.

Man, have you ever watched Fallon? It’s not that kind of show. It’s not surprising that they’d try to avoid controversy.

Handman said:

He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

No he didn’t.

His words:

There are very few people that have gone through what they have, losing everything in a day. Of course, people will go, “What about the victims?” But you know what? The victims didn’t have to go through that.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.

He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.

Did he actually prove she was lying though? Or did they just not prove she wasn’t not not lying?

Taken out of context and misconstrued.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.

It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)

Also, that’s not what producers do. Like, at all.

I’ll agree it’s not a big deal. Which is why it’s weird for me to see people like Handman get so worked up over it.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I thought we were talking about Macdonald, Louis CK and Roseanne Barr. No one was hurt by Macdonald or Roseanne and I don’t think that anyone was really hurt by Louis CK either, to be honest. Me Too uncovered some monsters, which is good, but it also encouraged a lot of fraudulent accusations like the ones against Aziz Ansari and Chris Hardwick. I’m glad that “time’s up” for the sexual harassers in the industry, but I also think that the whole public trial for anything resembling sexual misconduct is a terrible idea and I hope that we’re done with that.

You have to be kidding me about CK. That shit was fucked up and certainly could not insignificant emotional distress at the very least.

I guess. I don’t know, it’s a little fucked up and pretty pathetic but I don’t really care. He asked people if he could masturbate in front of them.

That he “asked them,” first of all doesn’t matter, because a) they almost certainly thought he was joking, and b) some of the accusers said he didn’t ask, CK just said he ‘only ever asked’ in his apology to make it sound less bad and save face, which should be obvious from the rest of his apology (which wasn’t even really an apology, honestly).

There aren’t enough funny people in this world to start throwing them aside over something like that.

That’s not true at all.

I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.

I don’t get the benefit either, but that doesn’t mean that those accusations weren’t obviously bullshit. The Ansari ones seemed to be just an airing of a bad, uncomfortable date.

How does that make it fraudulent?

Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.

I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”

I never said there aren’t liars out there (though it’s really quite doubtful they’d be in large numbers considering). It just seems wrongheaded to always assume these people are lying just because they’re accusing people you like.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.

He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.

Those examples imply that he was talking about the ones that weren’t that bad, and not talking about people like Spacey or Cosby or Weinstein, who are the real dangerous people.

Either way, he’s discounting the experiences of those abused. I’d like to believe he was telling the truth in his apology when he said he didn’t mean it that way. But that’s still how it came across.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.

Did he actually prove she was lying though? Or did they just not prove she wasn’t not not lying?

He proved that her allegations were completely unfounded and incongruent with how their relationship actually was, especially since it was well documented that she was the “abusive” (if you want to use that word) one in the relationship before it ended.

Unless I missed something, I don’t think some break up texts really an really prove everything you say they do.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.

It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)

Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.

Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.

I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.

That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.

I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.

I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.

Also, that’s not what producers do. Like, at all.

It was just my summation.

You’re talking about a different job entirely.

moviefreakedmind said:

There aren’t enough funny people in this world to start throwing them aside over something like that.

That’s not true at all.

What? Are you kidding? Have you spoken to people before? Almost none of them are funny or talented in any way.

There are nearly 8 billion people in the world. Just because most of them are not talented or funny doesn’t mean we are at a loss for talented and funny people. There’s plenty.

I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.

I don’t get the benefit either, but that doesn’t mean that those accusations weren’t obviously bullshit. The Ansari ones seemed to be just an airing of a bad, uncomfortable date.

How does that make it fraudulent?

It was an attempt to smear him over something that had no business being in the public sphere. Fraudulent may be the wrong word. Unethical? Exploitative? Take your pick.

I think it’s a story worth having a conversation about, as it is unbecoming behavior yet quite common. I don’t know if Ansari should have been named as it lumps him into a different group of people, where people might unfairly judge without having any concept of what happened (just having heard his name raised). I wouldn’t call it unethical or exploitative, however.

Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.

I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”

It seemed pretty obvious to me and most other people that actually looked at it objectively.

I did though? I had never heard of Dykstra and was actually a fan of Hardwick’s. I’ve yet to see anything that doesn’t fit the story as described by her.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.

He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.

Those examples imply that he was talking about the ones that weren’t that bad, and not talking about people like Spacey or Cosby or Weinstein, who are the real dangerous people.

Either way, he’s discounting the experiences of those abused. I’d like to believe he was telling the truth in his apology when he said he didn’t mean it that way. But that’s still how it came across.

Okay. That’s his problem. I don’t see the need to boot him off shows for that. That’s my point. There’s plenty of people that I hate showing up on TV and in movies. I deal with it.

It was one show appearance.

This is what Norm said:

So Jimmy said, ‘Come back whenever you want, but I think it will hurt the show tonight.’

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.

It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)

Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.

Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.

I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.

I’m not sure what you mean by me “disregarding.” I disagree a lot. But I don’t disregard someone else’s experiences. I don’t know why you’re so nihilistic but I’m sure there’s a reason. Doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with you.

I just don’t understand being angry at someone for crying. Again, you can disagree with them, sure. But being mad at them for crying when you literally don’t know anything about them? And when the fact that they’re crying is being told to you third hand?

I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.

That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that these producers were in tears over this comment. I find that hard to believe. Just like if I told you that I was in tears over Warbler’s insults, you’d find that extremely hard to believe. Not literally impossible, but so implausible that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t get why you’re acting as though it’s totally reasonable to think that multiple big-shot producers on the Tonight Show are unstable that they broke down into tears and started crying over this statement. Do you really think that that happened? Really? If someone held a gun to your head and said, “Do you really think that those producers started crying over that statement? Answer yes or no!” would you even have to think twice about your answer?

I know you well enough to know that an insult from warb wouldn’t provoke that reaction. But these people who were supposedly crying, I know nothing about them. It’s honestly ridiculous to me that we’re even talking about this.

I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.

I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.

I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m talking about it now because I have nothing else to do at the moment. I certainly am not going to be spending this time working. You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.

Oh I know you don’t care. I was talking about Handman.

Oh I know you don’t care. I was talking about Handman.

“You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.”

If I cried at any of the jobs I’ve held, I’d be a laughingstock and never taken seriously again, regardless of what it was over. There are jobs where I’d have probably been beaten up had I done that. Crying over a comment made by some comedian (not a coworker, not a friend, a comedian you don’t know) in a magazine seems a little silly, and shouldn’t be held as the basis for a business decision. It’s incompatible with the world I inhabit, where I have been absolutely repulsed (and yes, even offended) by the people I had to deal with on a daily basis.

i think comedians spent so much time of their lives telling jokes and obviously dealing with comedy that most if not all of the regular jokes aren’t really funny to them anymore, and i think that that’s why they embrace the ‘absurd’ and shocking jokes with minorities and all of that. i don’t think it’s fucked up because it means that if they’re making the joke it means that they too think it’s absurd and shocking.

regarding this specific discussion - dom, i don’t think mfm and handman are defending that the ‘metoo’ movement should end, just that the ‘guilty until proven innocent’ thing is terrible if the accused person is in fact proven innocent. i think that was norm’s point. i’m pretty sure everyone who’s not a sexual predator agrees that it’s great that all these rapists are getting what they deserve. the problem here is with the ones that don’t deserve.

hey mfm you’re not alone, i make and laugh at fucked up jokes too.

Yeah, Collipso has it. I’ll be the first to admit I’m terrible at wording things and getting ideas across sometimes, and I definitely got a little more than annoyed a few hours ago. mfm and Collipso are saying what I’m trying to say.

Handman said:

Oh I know you don’t care. I was talking about Handman.

“You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.”

If I cried at any of the jobs I’ve held, I’d be a laughingstock and never taken seriously again, regardless of what it was over. There are jobs where I’d have probably been beaten up had I done that.

Are you trying to imply that that’s a good thing? Because that’s a pretty twisted and cruel group of people who’d laugh or beat up someone expressing a normal human emotion.

Crying over a comment made by some comedian (not a coworker, not a friend, a comedian you don’t know) in a magazine seems a little silly, and shouldn’t be held as the basis for a business decision.

You’ve got to be kidding me if you think they canceled his appearance due solely to the reaction of the producers. Lot of people were upset.

It’s incompatible with the world I inhabit, where I have been absolutely repulsed (and yes, even offended) by the people I had to deal with on a daily basis.

If you have a legitimate gripe with a coworker you should be able to speak with someone about it. I don’t know why you would want a world where people could just hypothetically be terrible to one another and it’s considered valid behavior.

Are you trying to imply that that’s a good thing?

I’m just saying that’s my experience, and based on that experience, this reaction was excessive.

I don’t know why you would want a world where people could just hypothetically be terrible to one another and it’s considered valid behavior.

I’m saying there are people I have to work with that I don’t necessarily get along with, but I have to. That’s just the way it is. What would I say to HR? “I think this person is an asshole”?

I just can’t comprehend such a strong reaction to something that really doesn’t affect anyone either way.

Collipso said:

i think comedians spent so much time of their lives telling jokes and obviously dealing with comedy that most if not all of the regular jokes aren’t really funny to them anymore, and i think that that’s why they embrace the ‘absurd’ and shocking jokes with minorities and all of that. i don’t think it’s fucked up because it means that if they’re making the joke it means that they too think it’s absurd and shocking.

There’s a way to tell a joke about shocking subject matter in either good or bad nature. (Saying people have “downs syndrome” as an insult is obviously just in poor taste, and honestly not even a joke.)

regarding this specific discussion - dom, i don’t think mfm and handman are defending that the ‘metoo’ movement should end, just that the ‘guilty until proven innocent’ thing is terrible if the accused person is in fact proven innocent. i think that was norm’s point. i’m pretty sure everyone who’s not a sexual predator agrees that it’s great that all these rapists are getting what they deserve. the problem here is with the ones that don’t deserve.

You’re talking about a legal matter - “guilty until proven innocent,” but this merely the court of public opinion. The reason why comments like Norm’s are misguided (at best) is they ignore the fact that most of these people suffer quite minimally in the long run (the whole thing about “career being over” is largely a myth), so all the comments really serve to do is to disparage those who are the victims (who rarely if ever get any actual justice) and dissuade them from speaking out, for fear that they will be either ignored or outright attached because they don’t have enough “evidence.”

You’re talking about a legal matter - “guilty until proven innocent,” but this merely the court of public opinion.

Exactly, and when have you ever trusted the public to get anything right? To even analyze anything? It’s really… a scary thought. Especially in a world where public opinion is treated as judge, jury, and executioner.

Handman said:

Are you trying to imply that that’s a good thing?

I’m just saying that’s my experience, and based on that experience, this reaction was excessive.

I don’t know why you would want a world where people could just hypothetically be terrible to one another and it’s considered valid behavior.

I’m saying there are people I have to work with that I don’t necessarily get along with, but I have to. That’s just the way it is. What would I say to HR? “I think this person is an asshole”?

I just can’t comprehend such a strong reaction to something that really doesn’t affect anyone either way.

Just because “that’s the way it is” doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be.

I already offered a couple reasons why it might affect someone. You can criticize me for “condescension” but I don’t see how I’m wrong. You admit you can’t comprehend why. The truth is you seem to have a problem looking outside of yourself and your own life. Not everyone’s the same as you.

Thanks for the psychology, professor…

I don’t see how I’m wrong either.

Just because “that’s the way it is” doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be.

What do you expect me to do with these people I don’t get along with? Yell at them until they go away? See, the world has a lot of people with different views in life, and you have to learn to get along with them. If understanding that means I have a problem looking outside of myself… well, sorry I guess. Sometimes you need to be tough.

Handman said:

You’re talking about a legal matter - “guilty until proven innocent,” but this merely the court of public opinion.

Exactly, and when have you ever trusted the public to get anything right? To even analyze anything? It’s really… a scary thought. Especially in a world where public opinion is treated as judge, jury, and executioner.

There’s no right and wrong answer here. The fact of the matter is that people will vote with their wallets. And I think if someone’s going to buy a ticket to a comedy show they have a right to decline if that person is a sexual predator. More importantly, if someone has been sexually assaulted or harassed, they have a right to say it publicly.

As for making sure that the mob pays attention to all the nuances of every case, it’s not possible. But people paying attention will always be better than letting rapists and the like run amok with no recourse.

I’m not even talking about that. Nothing I’m talking about has to do with actual sexual predators.