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Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

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Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

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Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

Not quite because he isn’t calling for anyone to be deplatformed.

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

And who was hurt?

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

Is it crucifying to cancel a single show appearance literally the day after he said those comments? Presumably his career will be just fine without one Tonight Show appearance.

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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

Not quite because he isn’t calling for anyone to be deplatformed.

He’s arguing that those fighting against sexual predation are irrational and infantilized. Which is stupid and irrational.

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And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

You have taken his comments out of context. I again point to his mention of Chris Hardwick and how the simple question that people ask for evidence is considered outrageous.

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He’s arguing that those fighting against sexual predation are irrational and infantilized. Which is stupid and irrational.

If you aren’t going to bother to understand what I am saying, then you are being stupid and irrational. I’m done talking to you. I’m saying that people who cry over the very thought that someone doesn’t necessarily agree with them are irrational and infantilized. Crying is not a natural response to something so minor.

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Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

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DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I thought we were talking about Macdonald, Louis CK and Roseanne Barr. No one was hurt by Macdonald or Roseanne and I don’t think that anyone was really hurt by Louis CK either, to be honest. Me Too uncovered some monsters, which is good, but it also encouraged a lot of fraudulent accusations like the ones against Aziz Ansari and Chris Hardwick. I’m glad that “time’s up” for the sexual harassers in the industry, but I also think that the whole public trial for anything resembling sexual misconduct is a terrible idea and I hope that we’re done with that.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

Is it crucifying to cancel a single show appearance literally the day after he said those comments? Presumably his career will be just fine without one Tonight Show appearance.

I don’t think they should cancel anything. Fallon could’ve torn into him about what he said or something if it disturbed him that much. I didn’t say his career would be over either, but this shit sets bad precedence. People say stupid shit every day. All of us say stupid shit on a daily basis. I don’t like shutting people down over that.

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He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

No he didn’t.

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.

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there is a difference between wholesome and an outright asshole

You’re not familiar with his comedy. Observe as Jon Stewart laughs his head off as Norm pokes fun at Marlon Brando’s Oscar acceptance speech. You either get it or you don’t. That’s comedy. Everyone who knows him loves him.

I am more than familiar with him and have laughed at some of his jokes in the past , however , in that article you posted , the equating of Down Syndrome to a lack of empathy diminishes my opinion of him as his comment diminishes those with down syndrome . He calls for forgiveness and a second chance and then makes that comment ? WTF ?

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Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re not better than them because “you didn’t cry.” Though it’s clear to me you are really just as emotional. But in your case there doesn’t seem to be a good reason.

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I don’t understand the moral standard that people hold comedians to. Yeah, comedians fuck on people. Of course they do! That’s their job! You say this as though you’ve never said something fucked up before. I have. Am I really the only one that’ll admit to making fucked up jokes?

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And for Norm’s reaction when he heard he had made senior producer’s cry:

'I said, “You think I shouldn’t do the show?”. He said: “People are crying”, [Fallon said].

'I said, “People are crying?” “Yeah”, he said, “my senior producers are crying”.

'I said, “Good Lord, bring them in and let me talk to them”. I didn’t even know I had the capacity to make people cry. So I felt so bad from that comment.

‘Jimmy said, “Come back whatever you want but I think it will hurt the show tonight”. I said, “Jimmy, I don’t want to hurt your show. That’s the last thing I want to do is hurt your show”.’

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.

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screams in the void said:

Handman said:

screams in the void said:

there is a difference between wholesome and an outright asshole

You’re not familiar with his comedy. Observe as Jon Stewart laughs his head off as Norm pokes fun at Marlon Brando’s Oscar acceptance speech. You either get it or you don’t. That’s comedy. Everyone who knows him loves him.

I am more than familiar with him and have laughed at some of his jokes in the past , however , in that article you posted , the equating of Down Syndrome to a lack of empathy diminishes my opinion of him as his comment diminishes those with down syndrome . He calls for forgiveness and a second chance and then makes that comment ? WTF ?

He makes comments like that all of the time. He even uses the dreaded “r-word” from time to time. It’s a dumb comment, but that’s the sort of thing he does. He’s no saint, but he is funny. I imagine saints aren’t that funny anyway.

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Handman said:

He’s arguing that those fighting against sexual predation are irrational and infantilized. Which is stupid and irrational.

If you aren’t going to bother to understand what I am saying, then you are being stupid and irrational. I’m done talking to you. I’m saying that people who cry over the very thought that someone doesn’t necessarily agree with them are irrational and infantilized. Crying is not a natural response to something so minor.

You have a really limited understanding of human emotions and experiences beyond your own life if you think that’s the case.

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Though it’s clear to me you are really just as emotional.

What gave away the part that I was emotional (if the definition of emotional is: has emotions)? When I said I was pissed off?

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You have a really limited understanding of human emotions and experiences beyond your own life if you think that’s the case.

How characteristically condescending.