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Warbler said:

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You know what this argument about anthem-kneelers reminds me of?

That scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, where the crowd is stoning someone for saying the name ‘Jehovah’, and then the guy in charge of the stoning accidentally says ‘Jehovah’ himself, and they all turn on him and start stoning him too.

The misplaced outrage and slavish devotion to symbols of certain people reminds me very much of those in that crowd. Seriously: don’t be the people in that crowd.

whatever.

It’s just so amusing to me. “People who kneel are insulting the soldiers that serve and die for us!”

“I’m a wounded veteran and I support the protest.”

“Well I respect you less too!”

Can you at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of that? Pretty please?

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I love this thread the way only a father could love his child (even if said child was a psychopath completely and utterly incapable of sympathy & empathy).

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Handman said:

The thing is, Warb did start his own forum at some point.

Really? Cool.

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moviefreakedmind said:

For someone who claims to have so many problems with the moderation of this site, you sure do invoke the mods a lot. You should start your own Star Wars forum and ban everyone who creates an account. That’s the beauty of the free market.

Go fuck yourself. If I get banned for that, I get banned.

What the hell, man.

Yeah, I don’t get it. All I ever went after Warb for was his position on the NFL protests, specifically his position on soldiers that support the anthem protests. That crossed the line and was too much, but apparently actual personal attacks aren’t too much.

It’s the hypocrisy that gets me. And for the record and for what it’s worth, I don’t want him banned for this. I really don’t and I hope it doesn’t happen.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

hairy_hen said:

You know what this argument about anthem-kneelers reminds me of?

That scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, where the crowd is stoning someone for saying the name ‘Jehovah’, and then the guy in charge of the stoning accidentally says ‘Jehovah’ himself, and they all turn on him and start stoning him too.

The misplaced outrage and slavish devotion to symbols of certain people reminds me very much of those in that crowd. Seriously: don’t be the people in that crowd.

whatever.

It’s just so amusing to me. “People who kneel are insulting the soldiers that serve and die for us!”

“I’m a wounded veteran and I support the protest.”

“Well I respect you less too!”

Can you at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of that? Pretty please?

Would you just shut the hell up?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I love this thread the way only a father could love his child even if said child was a psychopath completely and utterly incapable of sympathy & empathy.

That’s not bad. My dad and I are usually on good terms. 😉

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I wish to apologize to the mods for my behavior. But I have had enough of Mfm.

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I agree with mfm.

…About slavish devotion to the anthem, not that he can go f*ck himself.

 
Well, maybe mfm can also do that, if he so chooses and is flexible enough to, but that’s none of my business. 😃

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Someone’s gotta do it so it might as well be me.

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FWIW, I’ve found discussions of the flag and the anthem to be very much like discussions of religious artifacts. Around these items, for some groups, there is a reverence, and a rigidly-defined sanctioned method for handling them. To those who don’t share that same defined reverence, it’s just a symbolic object, and they might think things that seem appropriately respectful in other circumstances, such as kneeling, would apply here too.

So when group A objects to kneeling, group B can’t comprehend how kneeling, which is so clearly an even more respectful behavior than standing, could offend anyone – so they conclude it must be that group A supports police brutality. But seriously, kneeling isn’t on the list. That’s all there is to it. There’s a list of things you can do and kneeling isn’t on it. Yeah, it’s dogmatic but there it is. It’s another example of just talking past each other.

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That’s why the priest getting stoned in Monty Python was brought up.

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Frankly I missed that in the flurry of temp bans and insults. The analogy works well both ways. I don’t think people consider that this protest was designed from the beginning to be respectful to the flag. It would have been just as much of a protest if he’d turned his back on the flag, or raised a fist at it, but unlike kneeling, those would be considered disrespectful. He chose a different way of showing respect as a means to demonstrate his protest. “A meal fit for Jehovah!” was meant as a compliment.

…but the larger point was very different. Knowing that the dogma exists as a firmly-rooted core belief every bit as sincere as religion, it seems pointless to minimize it, and unhelpful to ridicule it.

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Well, we definitely differ there. Ridiculing dogma is something I think everyone should do whenever they encounter it.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Well, we definitely differ there. Ridiculing dogma is something I think everyone should do whenever they encounter it.

Well, I’m not saying it doesn’t make you feel better, but that’s not the same thing as being helpful.

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The more that dogmatic things are legitimized, the greater hold they have on our society.

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I’m of two minds about that. On the one hand, I think it’s similarly arrogant to blanketedly attack any and all dogmatic principles as ludicrous and worthy of scorn. One might say that to hold that no principles are incontrovertibly true is, itself, a principle one can hold to be incontrovertibly true, and is therefore hypocritical.

On the other hand, specific dogmatic principles are indeed harmful to the self, the culture, and to society. Also, being a devout Christian myself, I’m well aware of the dogma that Jesus personally railed against and turned on its head because they completely missed the point.

I suppose it comes down to an issue of who is challenging certain dogma, their motivation for doing so, and their approach at doing it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

I’m of two minds about that. On the one hand, I think it’s similarly arrogant to blanketedly attack any and all dogmatic principles as ludicrous and worthy of scorn. One might say that to hold that no principles are incontrovertibly true is, itself, a principle one can hold to be incontrovertibly true, and is therefore hypocritical.

On the other hand, specific dogmatic principles are indeed harmful to the self, the culture, and to society. Also, being a devout Christian myself, I’m well aware of the dogma that Jesus personally railed against and turned on its head because they completely missed the point.

I suppose it comes down to an issue of who is challenging certain dogma, their motivation for doing so, and their approach at doing it.

Too nuanced for the Internet. Just tell me who I should hate.

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facepalm

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Where were you in '77?

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Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

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Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

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Yep, the human race is fucked. This is why we as a society need to stop valuing most people’s opinions. The best response to the collective “I’m offended” that the online outrage mob vomits up is “Who cares?”

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Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The older people are no more reasonable. The older generations, just like the younger ones, are composed of 99.99% idiots and .01% reasonable people.

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IDK …I was almost willing to give HIM a second chance , until his analogy equating people with down syndrome to having a lack of empathy …having once worked closely with clients in a group home who had down syndrome , all I can say now is Fuck him man .

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It’s a joke. He’s a comedian. I’m getting really tired of people expecting comedians to be wholesome.

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