Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.
Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.
Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.
ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.
If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.
I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.
I don’t worship the flag, I respect it.
That’s sad. It’s a piece of cloth.
It is more than a piece of cloth
Don’t give me that. My family is full of veterans. A member of my immediately family was actually shot multiple times in the service, and guess what, he’s in support of the NFL players. If you think that all that death and sacrifice happens for the flag, then that’s fucking sad. I hope that our people are dying for something other than “the flag”.
What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?
I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked.
It has everything to do with what you asked. What I posted is the proper etiquette during the National Anthem. You asked how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful. It is disrespectful because it violates the proper etiquette above. You are supposed to stand at attention.
I don’t care about the prescribed etiquette. Why is it bad to disregard that?
Because it is. There is proper etiquette and improper etiquette. Kneeling is improper. Also I don’t think the playing of the anthem is a time appropriate for political speech.
Even if it is disrespectful, which I don’t grant, why is it bad to be disrespectful when you’re addressing horrifying issues?
There are other ways to address horrifying issues.
It definitely wouldn’t have gotten as much attention.
Oh I think they could have gotten alot of attention by other methods. One would have to refuse to talk about the game in press conferences and instead talk about police brutality. The players may have gotten fined for this by the NFL, but that would be worth it to them, right? They also could have worn “Black Lives Matter” stickers and what not on their uniforms, again it would risk a fine but it would be worth it to them, right? They could have used they influence and wealth to put together a peaceful march on Washington, like MLK did. There are all sorts of things they could have done.
I know you lean towards the Mike the Cop, “Innocent people don’t run” line of reasoning where it’s acceptable for cops to shoot unarmed people to death so you probably wouldn’t have appreciated any protest against these cops.
You don’t will never understand what I think about these shootings because you won’t take the time to calmly, logically, rationally and fairly go over them, review the facts, and get the story from BOTH side. Instead you automatically assume the police are guilty
Not true. I do go over the facts.
You can’t deny that this was effective.
Was it? Has it stopped police shootings yet?
It got attention.
Nobody got anything done by being completely respectful. In fact, I think that the Kaepernick protest is too respectful. It’ll take a lot more to put an end to police brutality in this country.
Oh good God.
What’s that mean? I’m right.
Sorry, I can’t answer that without violating the rules of the forum.
Pathetic.
You have to get in people’s faces and get their attention to make change.
And here I thought logically reasoning was the way to go.
Most people don’t listen to logical reasoning. I’m experiencing someone who’s unwilling to do that right now.
Kaepernick wasn’t doing anything abrasive,
I guess you think he should have given the middle finger during the anthem.
He could have. He might as well have given how people like you are reacting to him.
and that’s why ultimately this protest won’t be the one that finally pushes this country towards holding its police accountable.
But I thought you said above that “You can’t deny that this was effective”. Which is it?
It was effective at getting attention. Definitely more effective than BLM stickers would’ve been.
Name me one person who achieved any political change by operating totally within what society deems proper etiquette.
I can’t but I can name you one that achieved much more than Kapaernick without protesting during the Anthem: MLK.
You are approaching this so simplistically that I honestly feel like I’m talking to an eight-year-old, at best. MLK threw aside proper etiquette, that’s why people listened to him.
EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.
I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.
Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.
There is a lot of shit I am tired of reading.
EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.
That I am shows that there is a difference between ruffling feathers and disrespecting the anthem. I don’t recall MLK ever disrespecting the anthem.
It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.
You are incorrect, I am not more devoted to order than justice.
In this case you are. It’s actually a little worse. You’re more devoted to etiquette than to justice.
wrong again.
Nope, I’m right. If you’re going to just make claims without evidence then I’ll do it too.
Had MLK “disrespected the anthem” would you still like him?
Not as much as I do, but I still would have respected all he achieved.
What a joke. If he had kneeled during the anthem then you would respect him less? Well, that’s just disgusting.
Read this article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609
How much respect have you lost for those veterans?
A tiny bit. But I still have great respect for what they did for this country. I guess veterans, of all people, have more a right to do this than people like Kapaernick who just play football.
Disgusting. You losing any amount of respect for veterans because they aren’t offended by Kaepernick is fucking disgusting. Don’t you dare throw tragic pictures of grieving families at me, implying that I don’t care about our veterans when it’s actually you that’s putting a piece of cloth above the people that, unlike you, actually fucking give a shit about this country and what it stands for. Kaepernick, and the veterans that stand by him, are greater patriots than you could ever hope to be. Your position on this is so un-American that it makes me livid and nauseous.
I still don’t care about the NFL or Nike.
I like Warb’s patriotism.
What patriotism is on display?
I thought it was patriotic to respect the Anthem. I also thought it was patriotic to agree that kneeling during the Anthem while disrespectful, is protected speech.
Nope, that’s nationalistic not patriotic.
If I were really nationalistic, I’d want protesting during the Anthem to be outlawed. But I don’t.
Since when is that a prerequisite for nationalism?