logo Sign In

Post #1238470

Author
Shopping Maul
Parent topic
Return of the Jedi - your opinion?
Link to post in topic
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1238470/action/topic#1238470
Date created
6-Sep-2018, 3:34 PM

joefavs said:

I would argue that Luke was responsible for the Emperor’s downfall simply by his presence. You say his actions didn’t have any tangible effect on the outcome of the Battle of Endor, but think about what happens when you take him out of the equation. Without Luke, the Empire simply steamrolls over the Rebel fleet well before they have the chance to take out the shield. Because he wants to seduce Luke, though, the Emperor draws it out like a cat playing with a mouse. Palpatine knows he can wring some drama and torment for Luke out of the situation and that this will render him more vulnerable to corruption, so he keeps it going way longer than he has to. Luke nails it when he says “your overconfidence is your weakness”. He knows that if he can hold the Emperor’s attention, his friends will have a chance to succeed that they wouldn’t otherwise. It’s easy to overlook it with all the Vader drama, but really Luke is playing for time.

And as for “unintended coincidences”, isn’t that kind of the Force’s whole MO? Luke’s goals are fulfilled in ways no one could have foreseen because he chooses the light and doubles down when given the chance to turn away. That Vader himself turns and the Emperor is destroyed as a result is an affirmation of the whole saga’s cosmology.

But even if this is true - the notion that Palpatine rolls out the DS laser in a melodramatic way rather than simply knock out the fleet instantly for example - this isn’t an argument for either Luke’s ‘plan’ or the notion of Jedi Knights being a useful idea. I like what you’re saying, but I wish this had actually been Luke’s expressed purpose. Luke tells Leia his only mission, apart from getting out of the way, is to save Vader. And his actions bear this out. Again, I can’t imagine a single citizen of the oppressed galaxy that would be thrilled to hear that Vader went out with a smile.

Or to put it this way - Luke’s expressed goal was to save Vader. Palpatine’s death was a by-product of this. I would have much preferred that Luke’s expressed goal was to face/defeat the Emperor, and that Vader’s redemption had been the by-product.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean by the ‘Force’s MO’, but then I don’t really get the ‘choosing the light’ thing either. Luke didn’t ‘choose the light’ when he blew up the first Death Star and slaughtered potentially millions of sentient beings - but it was the right thing to do. I genuinely don’t understand why total pacifism was suddenly Luke’s only moral recourse in RoTJ, or why anyone outside of the Skywalker drama would consider this useful under the circumstances.