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I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
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I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
Well I would agree he has the right to ask, but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state means. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
That makes him an irresponsible leader.
Asking for prayer makes one an irresponsible leader???
Yes. He’s not a priest, he’s a political leader and calling the masses to pray to your god is a waste of time and it borders on the government respecting a specific religion, which is a violation of the first amendment.
I don’t think the President expressing his own religious beliefs = the government respecting a specific religion.
I don’t want my leaders to waste one second on prayer.
Well, not everyone is like you. Some people like leaders who pray.
Well, that’s their problem.
and if you don’t like the President asking for prayer for victims of a shooting well, that’s your problem.
I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
Well I would agree he has the right to ask, but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
Yeah, there will never be a satanist in office, regardless of whatever happens at that Bohemian Grove.
I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
Well I would agree he has the right to ask, but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
Yeah, there will never be a satanist in office
Unless you’re a conspiracy theorist. Then there’ve been several.
I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
Well I would agree he has the right to ask, but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
Yeah, there will never be a satanist in office
Unless you’re a conspiracy theorist. Then there’ve been several.
regardless of whatever happens at that Bohemian Grove.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
case in point, this shouldn’t matter in the slightest.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
What if he’s a muslim or buddhist or hindu or some other shit that you don’t believe in? Presumably you wouldn’t want those calls to prayer. I really hate it when I of all people have to be the one urging people to be empathetic.
The Person in Question
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
What if he’s a muslim or buddhist or hindu or some other shit that you don’t believe in? Presumably you wouldn’t want those calls to prayer.
spot on
If I remember right, doesn’t the President only say “Let us pray”…? He’s not saying who to pray to.
Yeah, but you’re leaving out the nonreligious population.
Which, until recently, mattered… not at all. But it is growing. However, I don’t see why nonreligious people can’t simply ignore it.
I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.
but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.
case in point, this shouldn’t matter in the slightest.
I am allowed to use whatever criteria I want in deciding how I vote.
This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.
Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.
I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.
I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray
I think that’s exactly what it means,
No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.
No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.
I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.
No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
What if he’s a muslim or buddhist or hindu or some other shit that you don’t believe in? Presumably you wouldn’t want those calls to prayer. I really hate it when I of all people have to be the one urging people to be empathetic.
While I wouldn’t pray to the Gods of those religions, I think I’d be ok with Presidents of those religions asking for prayer.
Handman said:
I don’t see why nonreligious people can’t simply ignore it.
Because I shouldn’t have to. My president isn’t a priest.
The Person in Question
Handman said:
I don’t see why nonreligious people can’t simply ignore it.Because I shouldn’t have to.
Oh good grief.
My president isn’t a priest.
Asking for prayer doesn’t make one a priest.
This is all very silly. Presidents should be free to express whatever religious view that they want. If you don’t like that don’t vote for those presidents.
The blue elephant in the room.
I thought you were leaving?
Shhh, I’m not really here. Like I said, probably mostly lurking. Will be more absent soon.
The blue elephant in the room.
This is all very silly. Presidents should be free to express whatever religious view that they want. If you don’t like that don’t vote for those presidents.
I didn’t - that’s my point!!
Apparently more people prefer a president who calls for prayer.
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Interesting, I did not know that.