Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 824

Well it’s not so much that praying for them is a bad thing, it’s just that it’s not really brag worthy as much as actually doing something.

If I needed bread to eat, I would thank the one that gave me bread, and curse the one that offered prayer instead.

Praying is great, but it was never meant as a replacement for doing things (except judgement, I know we are supposed to leave that to God).

moviefreakedmind said:

The reason it’s so insulting is that the “thoughts and prayers” person is essentially saying that they’re opposed to actually doing anything that would’ve prevented this shooting in the first place,

In some cases, yes. But there are those that are not opposed to actually doing something that would’ve prevented this shooting whom also offer thoughts and prayers.

dahmage said:

If I needed bread to eat, I would thank the one that gave me bread, and curse the one that offered prayer instead.

What is to stop someone from giving bread AND offering prayer.

Praying is great, but it was never meant as a replacement for doing things (except judgement, I know we are supposed to leave that to God).

I never called it a replacement. for doing things. However for us religious folks, prayer is not doing nothing.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

If I needed bread to eat, I would thank the one that gave me bread, and curse the one that offered prayer instead.

What is to stop someone from giving bread AND offering prayer.

Praying is great, but it was never meant as a replacement for doing things (except judgement, I know we are supposed to leave that to God).

I never called it a replacement. for doing things. However for us religious folks, prayer is not doing nothing.

Warbler, if you gave me bread and prayed, that falls squarely in the first category. The second category is for those who could have given me bread but didn’t and only gave me prayer instead.

Those in the second category are self righteous fools.

moviefreakedmind said:

It isn’t literally doing nothing, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing tangible. Plus it insults people like me that don’t want your prayers. I don’t think you should make your decisions based on what assholes like me want, or what anyone else wants for that matter, but if your goal is compassion then you could consider how your offering of prayer might be the equivalent of the middle finger to some.

I think very few would consider it the equivalent of the middle finger, even if they did I would still pray for them. What I would not do is use it as an excuse to do nothing to solve the problem.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It isn’t literally doing nothing, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing tangible. Plus it insults people like me that don’t want your prayers. I don’t think you should make your decisions based on what assholes like me want, or what anyone else wants for that matter, but if your goal is compassion then you could consider how your offering of prayer might be the equivalent of the middle finger to some.

I think very few would consider it the equivalent of the middle finger, even if they did I would still pray for them.

In that case it actually would be the equivalent of the middle finger.

Well sorry, but that is what I do.

i think what annoys me the most when debating gun control is when someone pulls the “gun free zone ‘argument’” and acts like they won the discussion.

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Mrebo said:

I think the anti- “thoughts and prayers” meme is more tired than the condolences people offer. Complaining about expressions of sympathy gets zero traction in trying to convince people of policy views.

Here’s the thing: People (aside from mfm) are generally fine with prayer and condolences. What people are complaining about is that the people who have the power to do something about it (politicians) refuse to do something about it. “Thoughts and Prayers,” is a non-answer designed to pacify the masses, rather than anything sincere.

I should probably comment on the Alex Jones article, as that’s kinda relevant to me.

The sad part is that it likely isn’t a sign of hypocrisy. If anything, he probably watches it because he hates trans people so much. Fetishizing what you hate is nothing new; it’s the main reason why people who fetishize trans women are some of the most dangerous individuals to deal with. They are attracted to our bodies, but hate who we are, and the conflicting emotions (especially if we do have sex with them) often leads to violence, if not murder.

Mrebo said:

I think the anti- “thoughts and prayers” meme is more tired than the condolences people offer. Complaining about expressions of sympathy gets zero traction in trying to convince people of policy views.

But it’s Clint Eastwood, not exactly your typical liberal.

Handman said:

Mrebo said:

I think the anti- “thoughts and prayers” meme is more tired than the condolences people offer. Complaining about expressions of sympathy gets zero traction in trying to convince people of policy views.

But it’s Clint Eastwood, not exactly your typical liberal.

What does Clint Eastwood have to do with this?

moviefreakedmind said:

flametitan said:

I should probably comment on the Alex Jones article, as that’s kinda relevant to me.

The sad part is that it likely isn’t a sign of hypocrisy. If anything, he probably watches it because he hates trans people so much. Fetishizing what you hate is nothing new; it’s the main reason why people who fetishize trans women are some of the most dangerous individuals to deal with. They are attracted to our bodies, but hate who we are, and the conflicting emotions (especially if we do have sex with them) often leads to violence, if not murder.

You’re right, but I do think that there is hypocrisy inherent in fetishizing something that you hate. It’s similar to how Ted Haggard, the anti-gay Christian preacher, was having sex with male prostitutes regularly even though he was constantly demonizing gay people. It doesn’t mean that he hated gay people any less than he claimed to, it’s just that he was also a massive hypocrite which makes him all the more despicable. Same thing with J. Edgar Hoover persecuting and terrorizing gay Americans even though he was likely gay himself. Alex Jones watching and enjoying transgender porn even though he’s constantly demonizing and screaming about how unnatural and evil transgender people are makes him even more disgusting than he already is.

I think where we’re coming from are slightly different takes of Hypocrisy. In a strict sense of not living up to their words and standards, that is true. I find that there’s sometimes the connotation that someone who’s a hypocrite doesn’t necessarily believe what they say, though, which is what I’m trying to argue against.

It is fully possible to truly believe the vile things you say, despite having an attraction that way. If anything, the vile things you believe might further the taboo and rush of that fetish, while the shame of being into that fetish further fuels the hate. It’s an Ouroboros of hate and objectifying attraction, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe what he says.

So while he’s hypocritical in the sense of his actions not matching what one would initially expect from his words, he isn’t a hypocrite in the sense that this reveals some aspect of his personality that contradicts his world views.