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Post #1235213

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DominicCobb
Parent topic
Star Wars: Resistance (animated series) - a general discussion thread
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Date created
18-Aug-2018, 4:11 PM

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.

Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.

You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. By generalizing my statements your perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.

You eroded the nuance of the discussion the moment you stated most of “these people” harrass. That’s not putting words in your mouth. You said that.

Read my post again Dre. Who are the people I’m talking about? Am I talking about fans who criticize? Or am I talking about fans who act like children?

If you weren’t skimming my posts for things to get mad about you’d realize that and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Try harder.

You criticized those that complain, and feel entitled. So far, so good, but then you stated these people are pathetic, and that most of them harrass. That is a generalization, and a pretty nasty one. I criticized you for it, and now rather than admit you made a mistake, you try to make it about me.

This is my exact quote:

A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.

I made no mistake. I admit I should have said many, if only because, in fairness, it’s all speculation and I should’ve known someone would misinterpret. But I stand by what I said.

If you’re acting like you’re entitled to specific content that caters to only you, and then whine when you don’t get what you want, that is pathetic and childish. Simple as that. Saying that many of the people who do that end up being harrasers is not such an incredible leap to make.

And I’m not trying to make it about you. You already did that yourself by making a scene over a fairly inoffensive statement on my part. Now we’ve been arguing on a whole page because you got your pants in a tizzy because I made that impossible suggestion that maybe these childish, entitled fans are the ones who tend to harass.

Well I disagree. Just because entitled fans are more likely to harrass, does not mean that most or even many of them do. That’s an offensive statement. The fact that poor people are statistically more likely to commit street crimes, does not excuse someone for saying most poor people are street criminals, that many of these people end up being street criminals, or that many of these people tend to commit street crimes. That’s just prejudice.

That comparison is absurd. Now I’m “prejudiced” against entitled fans? Being an entitled fan is caused by personality traits such as assholery and immaturity. These things also cause them to be harassers. The line between constantly commenting “TLJ ruined Star Wars” and constantly tweeting at Rian Johnson “you ruined Star Wars” is pretty thin. You’re splitting hairs that don’t exist.

The line is not thin. There are large numbers of articles, where fans respectfully argue why in their opinion Disney and Lucasfilm have damaged the Star Wars brand, and harshly criticize the films. They may be feeling entitled in your opinion, but most of them would never dream of harrassing creators and actors. That’s just your prejudism speaking. It is not based in reality. Entitled fans do a lot of barking online for sure, but barking dogs (almost) never bite.

I wouldn’t consider someone who respectfully puts their opinion into an article “entitled.” I’m not talking about those people. I’m talking about people who whine and incessantly complain on stuff like YouTube comment sections. People who criticize immaturely, not everyone who criticizes. Different things.