Mrebo said:
moviefreakedmind said:
Warbler said:
moviefreakedmind said:
Why do you always want to play the apologist for right wing craziness like this or Alex Jones?
Just who were you talking to here? You posted right after Frink. Frink may be many things, but if you think he is an apologist for Alex Jones, you have to be drunk.
I was talking to Mrebo.
Also in response to Mrebo, I was obviously fucking joking. You have mentioned multiple times that I’m calling for violence and death and I think that’s absurd.
I mentioned it in that one post.
If you can’t tell that my “I’m usually against violence but I wish the state would execute everyone that believes in Qanon” was a literal call for action, then you have the situational awareness of a brick. You can say that it’s callous that I don’t value the lives of people dumb enough to believe in QAnon (and I don’t, and I won’t pretend that I’d shed any tears if they all keeled over tomorrow) but you can’t say that I’m calling violence. Not unless you’re okay with being totally dishonest. I know you throw in a line about how I’m hyperbolic, but your implication that my rhetoric will inspire people to violence is absurd. I have no following, and the political violence I’m in favor of isn’t even actually happening with any kind of regularity.
As you recognize I said you were being hyperbolic, and I didn’t initially respond to your post to express any concern about your post…because I know your way of expressing things.
You were talking about it at times as though I was serious and you even implied that Frink actually felt that way too.
I was implying that the kind of rhetoric you use, which is increasingly common on the left, can inspire and has inspired violent acts. I’d hope there’s not such a nutjob on this site who would somehow be motivated by your post. I suppose you would hope the same.
How is it increasingly common on the left? Not on the left I’m seeing. I wish I lived in this parallel universe that you live in where the left is incredibly radical, because that’s not how it is in my world. And whatever anyone does after reading my posts is their problem.
The kind of rhetoric we see on the left, excusing Antifa violence of any kind, or inspiring somebody like James Hodgkinson, does seem far more dangerous than a silly conspiracy theory that all the Democratic leaders are going behind bars soon.
The Hodgkinson example is bullshit because I, unlike Steve Scalise, actually want political action to be taken to prevent assholes like him from getting shot in the first place, plus I’ve never advocated shooting anyone, let alone an elected official. Antifa hasn’t killed anybody, unlike members of the alt-right, and they aren’t in power, and I have no problem with terrorizing the alt-right and neo-Nazis. Sue me, I enjoy it when Nazis are the victims of violent acts. I didn’t even condone it per se, I just said I’m not shedding any tears over it and it isn’t as bad. As for the conspiracy, I care much less for whether it’s dangerous than I care that it’s incredibly stupid. QAnon is a perfect example of stupidity on the right and is also a perfect example of why a lot of people shouldn’t have the right to vote because of their stupidity. And maybe that rhetoric is more dangerous than QAnon, but there’s plenty of armed rightwing bullshit rallies all over this shithole country. The Nazi rally in Charlottesville where that guy plowed through a bunch of innocent leftwing protesters was full of armed Nazi thugs. Trump encouraged violence at his rallies. Violence against protesters has occurred at his rallies. Alex Jones, who has been in communication with the president, has come dangerously close to advocating gun violence against political opposition. Stop pretending that the right isn’t full of militant fucks. Whether you’re willing to acknowledge them or not, they’re there.
And Antifa never killed anybody. Like I said earlier, the people using violence against Nazis aren’t automatically as bad as the Nazis. To claim that they are is a false equivalence.
I’m not trying to draw any equivalence. One doesn’t need to do that to recognize violence is bad.
No, violence is not always bad. Sometimes you have to be violent and sometimes really horrible things are done because the good guys were too cowardly to use violence. To keep going with the Nazi example, if the Allied powers had gone into Germany in 1933 and killed every single member of the Nazi party instead of waiting for Hitler to conquer almost all of Europe, then we would’ve been spared WWII. I’m generally against violence, but saying that it’s “bad” in a blanket statement is ridiculous.