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LordZerome1080 said:

tbird97 said:

pittrek said:

If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

This is funny. I’ve seen many Star Trek posts get hijacked and go into a discussion of Star Wars, but rarely the other way around!

I was curious about the Star Trek original series as well. I did some digging and found that there are some audio on the blu-ray set which is not entirely. I was kind of surprised some enterprising (no pun intended) fan had not taken the audio from the laserdiscs and set it to the blu-ray picture or something.
I don’t know exact episodes, but I know some of the opening credits there is dispute about which music played. There is a found effect of a phaser rifle being thrown in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and one of Spock’s lines in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” There may be others as well, maybe some musical cues were messed with and they added some ship engine noise for the DVD release. Anywhere, I have the set and enjoy it, but there are purists who would love to have the original “night of broadcast” audio and that doesn’t truly seem what was provided. I will end my Trek discussion on this Star Wars thread so as not to run afoul of the moderators. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion if you feel the urge.

I most certainly will.

Beware LordZerome1080’s urges…

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yoda-sama said:

LordZerome1080 said:

tbird97 said:

pittrek said:

If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

This is funny. I’ve seen many Star Trek posts get hijacked and go into a discussion of Star Wars, but rarely the other way around!

I was curious about the Star Trek original series as well. I did some digging and found that there are some audio on the blu-ray set which is not entirely. I was kind of surprised some enterprising (no pun intended) fan had not taken the audio from the laserdiscs and set it to the blu-ray picture or something.
I don’t know exact episodes, but I know some of the opening credits there is dispute about which music played. There is a found effect of a phaser rifle being thrown in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and one of Spock’s lines in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” There may be others as well, maybe some musical cues were messed with and they added some ship engine noise for the DVD release. Anywhere, I have the set and enjoy it, but there are purists who would love to have the original “night of broadcast” audio and that doesn’t truly seem what was provided. I will end my Trek discussion on this Star Wars thread so as not to run afoul of the moderators. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion if you feel the urge.

I most certainly will.

Beware LordZerome1080’s urges…

Lol.

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tbird97 said:

pittrek said:

If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

This is funny. I’ve seen many Star Trek posts get hijacked and go into a discussion of Star Wars, but rarely the other way around!

I was curious about the Star Trek original series as well. I did some digging and found that there are some audio on the blu-ray set which is not entirely. I was kind of surprised some enterprising (no pun intended) fan had not taken the audio from the laserdiscs and set it to the blu-ray picture or something.
I don’t know exact episodes, but I know some of the opening credits there is dispute about which music played. There is a found effect of a phaser rifle being thrown in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and one of Spock’s lines in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” There may be others as well, maybe some musical cues were messed with and they added some ship engine noise for the DVD release. Anywhere, I have the set and enjoy it, but there are purists who would love to have the original “night of broadcast” audio and that doesn’t truly seem what was provided. I will end my Trek discussion on this Star Wars thread so as not to run afoul of the moderators. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion if you feel the urge.

Not sure if I understood correctly what you are suggesting, but I sent you a PM. And correct, let’s keep this thread for Harmy’s magnificent piece of work.

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Could somebody tell me what is the latest versions of Harmy de-specialised A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, and when were they released? (v2.0, v2.5, v2.7, and so forth; which and what dates)

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ANH 2.7 ~May 2016
ESB 2.0 ~Aug 2014
ROTJ 2.5 ~Feb 2016

Dates are approximate, based on upload date on spleen.

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SnooPac said:

ANH 2.7 ~May 2016
ESB 2.0 ~Aug 2014
ROTJ 2.5 ~Feb 2016

Dates are approximate, based on upload date on spleen.

Thank you very much.

How can I get a Spleen acc.?

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Unfortunately you cannot, as they have closed invites.
But keep a close eye on the speech bubble(s) at the top right…

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Blocked.

This video contains content from BBC Worldwide, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

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Have you tried contesting? I used to get my SW stuff blocked all the time, I just did a quick contest on one of the clips and suddenly they were all allowed again.

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Well, it’s not like I didn’t use their material, though as far as the video itself goes, I’m pretty sure it’s fair use but since I did link the full movie under the video and I even say so in the video, I wouldn’t really have a leg to stand on. I just kind of assumed BBC wouldn’t care about this old documentary that’s not available to buy anywhere but apparently, they do.

Anyway - let’s continue the discussion on the Horizon documentary here:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Horizon-How-To-Film-The-Impossible-Remastered/id/61748

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Harmy, it’s been blocked. Only 8 views before someone downvoted it. That really stinks.

Edit: Missed the latest comments bc of the new page. Beg pardon.

The NJVC Custom Bluray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions is available on Mega.

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Wonder if a bot is responsible for that response time? Or is the UK and the Check Republic on the same time zone?

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Harmy said:

Well, it’s not like I didn’t use their material, though as far as the video itself goes, I’m pretty sure it’s fair use but since I did link the full movie under the video and I even say so in the video, I wouldn’t really have a leg to stand on. I just kind of assumed BBC wouldn’t care about this old documentary that’s not available to buy anywhere but apparently, they do.

Anyway - let’s continue the discussion on the Horizon documentary here:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Horizon-How-To-Film-The-Impossible-Remastered/id/61748

Just a follow up on this since it’s not specific to your one video - there was I button I clicked called “contest” or something similar. It took me to another page with a few options for contesting, I clicked one, and I never had a problem with blocked SW content again. Never worried about the details. I think YouTube just goes through the motions to make the content provider happy.

This was a few years ago so it may have changed since then, but worth a try if that option is still available.

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Still stinks. And that single down vote makes it all the more irksome.

The NJVC Custom Bluray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions is available on Mega.

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Ok, so I just compared the final 4K77 DNR release with Harmy’s 2.7 and I have to say that I think a combination of certain elements of it to a Despecialized 3.0 would be perfect, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2.7 being superior for noise, color, and lighting.

While I noticed insane improvements in Tatooine shots, Death Star shots or Falcon interior shots were either drastically blown out or too green/dirty. Plus, even though it’s DNR, the backgrounds still seemed to be fuzzy and constantly moving.

Curious to know what others think. I for one am happy to not have 4K resolution if it means a drop in other aspects.

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WishItWas1984 said:

Ok, so I just compared the final 4K77 DNR release with Harmy’s 2.7 and I have to say that I think a combination of certain elements of it to a Despecialized 3.0 would be perfect, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2.7 being superior for noise, color, and lighting.

While I noticed insane improvements in Tatooine shots, Death Star shots or Falcon interior shots were either drastically blown out or too green/dirty. Plus, even though it’s DNR, the backgrounds still seemed to be fuzzy and constantly moving.

Curious to know what others think. I for one am happy to not have 4K resolution if it means a drop in other aspects.

That’s kind of you to say.

As for me, having just watched the “DNR” version, I’ve got to say it’s my favorite version so far. There’s a lot that Williarob improved in it over the standard 4K77 release aside from just the grain reduction, of course. The brand new color correction looks excellent. Very much the look I was going for with 2.7, and not always quite achieving. There are a few scenes, such as the Jawa/Canyon scene, where I was probably overly ‘anti-green’, and this new release strikes a nice balance. The contrast is generally excellent, though there are likely more limitations in that department for a scanned print compared to blu-ray as source.

I think it’s got a well-balanced grain profile. For standard, non-composited shots, I think it’s just the right amount of grain remaining, and a surprising amount of detail in the print. It’s true, of course, that the composited shots are softer and grainier, but it reflects the original look of the film, and that will always be the interesting trade-off compared to newer restorations of films with digitally recomposited elements.

But, taking that into account, the “DNR” release is great for its consistent look, throughout.

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As far as some shots being grainier in 4K77, it seems like there are some scenes, including shots without effects, where there is more generational loss in the film.

The blu-ray is better for the sake of quality, of course, going back to the camera negatives (especially for shots with no effects/compositing), but’s interesting to see anyway.

Another thing I pointed out, when the last 4K77 version was released, is how soft the shots are that would later, in 2011, become “R2’s rocks”. I’m not sure if they were heavily zoomed or out of focus or what. But it made me wonder if Lucas just added the rocks because those shots weren’t really in good shape for blu-ray.

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towne32 said:

WishItWas1984 said:

Ok, so I just compared the final 4K77 DNR release with Harmy’s 2.7 and I have to say that I think a combination of certain elements of it to a Despecialized 3.0 would be perfect, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2.7 being superior for noise, color, and lighting.

While I noticed insane improvements in Tatooine shots, Death Star shots or Falcon interior shots were either drastically blown out or too green/dirty. Plus, even though it’s DNR, the backgrounds still seemed to be fuzzy and constantly moving.

Curious to know what others think. I for one am happy to not have 4K resolution if it means a drop in other aspects.

That’s kind of you to say.

As for me, having just watched the “DNR” version, I’ve got to say it’s my favorite version so far. There’s a lot that Williarob improved in it over the standard 4K77 release aside from just the grain reduction, of course. The brand new color correction looks excellent. Very much the look I was going for with 2.7, and not always quite achieving. There are a few scenes, such as the Jawa/Canyon scene, where I was probably overly ‘anti-green’, and this new release strikes a nice balance. The contrast is generally excellent, though there are likely more limitations in that department for a scanned print compared to blu-ray as source.

I think it’s got a well-balanced grain profile. For standard, non-composited shots, I think it’s just the right amount of grain remaining, and a surprising amount of detail in the print. It’s true, of course, that the composited shots are softer and grainier, but it reflects the original look of the film, and that will always be the interesting trade-off compared to newer restorations of films with digitally recomposited elements.

But, taking that into account, the “DNR” release is great for its consistent look, throughout.

Yeah, the Tatooine stuff is amazing. I wish I had the time to screen cap each and post them online, but specifically, if you open two video player instances and check out the “Han in Stormtrooper armor sitting with feet up” scene and the “It’s not like dusting crops” scene in the Falcon, you’ll see examples (which permeate throughout) of way too much brightness and contrast. The Falcon example almost looks like a horror movie paused. lol A lot of detail loss.

The “Vader in Death Star hanger walking to the Falcon” scene is a great example of how murky and weird the “Death Star Green” coloring is in the 4K version.

Again, to each his own, but I will stick with 2.7. Once I finally get a 4K TV, I’m sure it will still look amazing.

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WishItWas1984 said:

towne32 said:

WishItWas1984 said:

Ok, so I just compared the final 4K77 DNR release with Harmy’s 2.7 and I have to say that I think a combination of certain elements of it to a Despecialized 3.0 would be perfect, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2.7 being superior for noise, color, and lighting.

While I noticed insane improvements in Tatooine shots, Death Star shots or Falcon interior shots were either drastically blown out or too green/dirty. Plus, even though it’s DNR, the backgrounds still seemed to be fuzzy and constantly moving.

Curious to know what others think. I for one am happy to not have 4K resolution if it means a drop in other aspects.

That’s kind of you to say.

As for me, having just watched the “DNR” version, I’ve got to say it’s my favorite version so far. There’s a lot that Williarob improved in it over the standard 4K77 release aside from just the grain reduction, of course. The brand new color correction looks excellent. Very much the look I was going for with 2.7, and not always quite achieving. There are a few scenes, such as the Jawa/Canyon scene, where I was probably overly ‘anti-green’, and this new release strikes a nice balance. The contrast is generally excellent, though there are likely more limitations in that department for a scanned print compared to blu-ray as source.

I think it’s got a well-balanced grain profile. For standard, non-composited shots, I think it’s just the right amount of grain remaining, and a surprising amount of detail in the print. It’s true, of course, that the composited shots are softer and grainier, but it reflects the original look of the film, and that will always be the interesting trade-off compared to newer restorations of films with digitally recomposited elements.

But, taking that into account, the “DNR” release is great for its consistent look, throughout.

The “Vader in Death Star hanger walking to the Falcon” scene is a great example of how murky and weird the “Death Star Green” coloring is in the 4K version.

I think that’s just the nature of the technicolor coloring. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Despecialized 2.5, but Harmy attempted to put a lot of that style back into the movie. And in turn I kind of erased most of it in 2.7. 😃 I think the DNR release is a good compromise, but also probably works better as the grading can be brought out naturally from the print by adjusting the curves/levels, which isn’t the case when applying changes to a non-technicolor print.

Some of the ‘murkiness’ is also probably due to this being a composite shot, and grainier on the film print.

In any case, there will definitely be people that prefer the strictly neutral grading (I was like this, but I’m coming around 😃 ).

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I think this is where 4K77 and Despecialized can be different.

4K77 is strictly print based, it’s what a original Technicolor print would look like projected. And I think correcting some of the color imbalances from the inconsistent Technicolor process would be acceptable. Using reel by reel correction to keep it “authentic”

Then Despecialized should be Bluray based and be what we would expect a propper o-neg based restoration to be. So shot to shot correction to correct inconsistent color timing, removing heavy print grain and adding light negative grain where applicable. Basically what the BR would look like if it was done properly.

I think the inevitable disney 4K rerelease of the OT will be something like The Matrix’s rerelease. New scan with DOP approved grading to match the print but much more consistent shot to shot.

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Chewielewis said:

I think this is where 4K77 and Despecialized can be different.

4K77 is strictly print based, it’s what a original Technicolor print would look like projected. And I think correcting some of the color imbalances from the inconsistent Technicolor process would be acceptable. Using reel by reel correction to keep it “authentic”

Then Despecialized should be Bluray based and be what we would expect a propper o-neg based restoration to be. So shot to shot correction to correct inconsistent color timing, removing heavy print grain and adding light negative grain where applicable. Basically what the BR would look like if it was done properly.

Right. That’s a good description of the project goals. That said, they’re both in a kind of middle-zone right now!

Despecialized is now a bit dated compared to ESB and Jedi, containing some GOUT and Harmy’s older, still impressive rotoscoping. Likewise, the DNR 4K77 is something beyond the ‘as projected’ aim without attempting to be blu-ray quality. IMO, it’s not too far off from the quality of some old ‘HDTV’ restorations (probably derived from transfers made for DVD).

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I want to donate, Ive been following the thread for years, and just redownloaded all 3 of the movies on my new computer. I can’t explain how much I love everything you’ve done, and I want to make a small donation, where can I do that so Harmy himself will recieve the money