Collipso said:
one must be really in tune and have a master’s control of the force to be able to perform it. that is why Luke mind tricking Bib Fortuna at Jabba’s Palace means he’s grown from novice to master.

But there’s no evidence for this at all. We can infer that Luke reached this level by using the same powers as Obi-wan perhaps. But again it turns into a nonsensical discussion about power levels, limit breaks and experience points.

in the OT it’s left apparent that one’s progression in sword fighting goes along with one’s progression of the mastery of the force. i guess that makes sense, given that the more you master the force the faster your reflexes are going to be, so yeah.

and Luke was in his physical peak during the OT and we watched Yoda push him to his physical limit while in Dagobah; so that, alongside the use of the force, makes me not see any sort of problem in him doing martial arts jumps and stuff.

But Yoda never shows him any sort of blocks and parries etc. and the running and jumping tricks he uses are more physical than the kind of sudden rush of speed he uses to escape the carbon freeze. There are lots of gaps and it’s all just fine. I just don’t see the kind of perfect training regimen that people seem to demand Rey experience to get any skills at all. It’s all just grasping straws.