Current Events. No debates! — Page 43

moviefreakedmind said:

Handman said:

I don’t think it’s shocking for me to say that I am a total dumbass when it comes to this kind of thing, but since I have the opportunity, I’ll ask. Why is requiring surgery to declare yourself a male or female a bad thing? From my perspective, it seems like the logical thing to do, if a man is defined as being, you know, biologically a man, and a woman the same. I don’t mean to be provocative, I’m just genuinely curious.

Nothing can make a biological man a biological woman or vice versa, and for that reason (as well as for cost and other restrictions), a lot of transgenders aren’t interested in or able to go through such invasive and expensive surgeries. That’s why it’s about identifying as one gender or the other, not whether or not someone wants or can afford those surgeries.

I get that you’re trying to help my point, but…

That phrase hurts. It’s a phrase used by those who oppose my transition to invalidate it and try to convince me to stop. More than that, it’s one of the deepest dreads I have, the very thing that drives many other trans people to suicide. The fear that no matter what we do, in the end it’s all meaningless, because it’ll just not matter; we’ll never really be the gender we identify with.

Would it be too much to try to avoid that turn of phrase in the future? (also technically “Transgenders,” isn’t really a correct way of referring to trans people; it’s an adjective, not a noun.)

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m in favor of your transition and I do validate it. I was pointing out to him why surgery isn’t what determines someone’s gender.

Oh definitely. Like I said, I get that you were on my side. I was mostly trying to politely tell you that your phrasing wasn’t the best way of going about it. The aspect of cost was more of the crux, rather than the, “never be a biological man or woman,” angle.

Interesting. This is all beyond my comprehension, I’m just a simple man. But you have my support nonetheless. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective.

Handman said:

Interesting. This is all beyond my comprehension, I’m just a simple man. But you have my support nonetheless. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective.

Oh definitely! I’ve been meaning to start a thread specific to this stuff, in the vein of the “Interrogate the X!” threads that popped up a while back.

Interesting, we have a transsexual transgender forum member.

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

*transgender

Sorry.

Warbler, would you like it if I said, “Interesting, we have a Warbgender?”

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

And I was asking if we should study Warb too.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

And I was asking if we should study Warb too.

But I wasn’t serious.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

And I was asking if we should study Warb too.

But I wasn’t serious.

Again, unless he’d like that.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

And I was asking if we should study Warb too.

But I wasn’t serious.

Again, unless he’d like that.

Which I doubt.

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

Cue series of posts where Warb says he’s not doing that, you say snarky things, he gets upset and we all knew from the beginning he didn’t mean anything malicious. Basically it’s all blown out of proportion.

I get what you’re saying, just as I get him, but the moral lesson is never imparted well this way.

nor this way

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

Cue series of posts where Warb says he’s not doing that, you say snarky things, he gets upset and we all knew from the beginning he didn’t mean anything malicious. Basically it’s all blown out of proportion.

I get what you’re saying, just as I get him, but the moral lesson is never imparted well this way.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Interesting, we have a transsexual forum member.

Would you like it if I said “Interesting, we have a Warbler?”

I think having a Warbler is interesting.

Well sure but we don’t have to act like he’s a cage so we can study him.

Unless he wants that.

Do you want that Warb?

To be clear, I know you didn’t mean it that way Warb, it just sounded like a weird thing to say.

Handman said:

*transgender

very well, post corrected, no offense intended flametitan.

None taken. It’s always funny to see how much drama I can cause by merely existing.

It’s a power I need to learn to control.

flametitan said:

None taken. It’s always funny to see how much drama I can cause by merely existing.

It’s a power I need to learn to control.

The drama wasn’t your fault.

flametitan said:

None taken. It’s always funny to see how much drama I can cause by merely existing.

It’s a power I need to learn to control.

Like Hayden in Jumper?

Warbler said:

flametitan said:

None taken. It’s always funny to see how much drama I can cause by merely existing.

It’s a power I need to learn to control.

The drama wasn’t your fault.

Like Hayden in Jumper?