Jay said:
The RT audience score stands at 46%. If it only succeeds as a film with people who watch films for a living, it failed.A self selecting poll heavily brigaded by angry fans. (Just for comparison, TPM has 55% audience rating). Yeah, no that has no basis in reality.
I’ll take something like Cinemascore over that, which is based on actual market research. They give it an A, so its definitely succeeding with the general public.
The debate over the validity of different scores was done to death in the official TLJ review thread, I believe. TLJ fans like to point to the RT critic score while insisting the audience score is gamed. The CinemaScore sampling method is also flawed because it’s mostly conducted close to the premiere and immediately after the audience leaves the theater, which means an audience with a higher number of hardcore fans and lack of time for reflection over what they saw can skew the results.
You can count me among those who enjoy TPM more than TLJ, by the way.
Many (if not most) films feature protagonists that have to learn hard lessons. TLJ is not alone in this regard, even among Star Wars films.
Execution aside, the idea that making a hero learn a lesson will alienate the audience isn’t one that really makes sense.
That’s not what NeverarGreat said. Luke learned plenty of lessons in the OT and he’s universally loved because of that arc. What some of us aren’t buying is his need to learn this particular lesson and that Rey was the one to teach it. Same thing with our other heroes.
The validity of a score that invites people to leave their opinion is only as valid as the source of the opinions. If a group engages in the process of loading such a score with bad reviews then it will be falsely low. It can just as easily be falsely high. In the case of TLJ, we know that there was an effort to bring down the score of the film. But in any case, the accuracy is in question. Rotten Tomatoes is only a vague indicator of quality. It is not a random poll of people who viewed the movie and so should not be considered in any way accurate.
On Rotten Tomatoes, the critic reviews are 90%. The audience reviews are at 46%. 73% of Google users liked it. The Roger Ebert site gave it 4 of 4. Amazon reviewers gave it 3 1/2 stars out of 5. It has 5.5k up votes on YouTube out of 7.5k votes. It has 4 out of 5 stars on Google Play. And it has a 85 on Metacritic. To me that says the 46% on Rotten Tomatoes is a false outlier. A proper audience appreciation score would be between 70% and 80%.