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The 7.1 mix is actually an upscale of the 5.1 mix from the original DVD release and as a result still features most of the new sound FX added back in 2000. Some original sound FX were restored but not much. The only ones Ive noticed were the original whale cry, Brody pumping the rifle before climbing the mast, and the ricochet when the bullet hits the airtank. Many fans were quite pleased the latter was restored and rightly so but personally I dont think it meshes well with the newer sound effects. There were some things about the 7.1 mix that I think improved over the 5.1. Brody’s ‘bigger boat’ line is somewhat louder and not as drowned out by the music as it was on the 5.1. When he says ‘Smile you son of bi***’ its also somewhat louder than on the 5.1 although ‘bi***’ is still obscured by the bullet shot. You can only properly hear that word in the mono mix. Just the same I prefer the mono mix either way although it is a shame that even the version of that track thats in use now has issues.

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Dang…thats just silly. For such a big restoration they just reused he old video remix that was atrocious…and made it slightly more palatable…grrr.
The clip shown in the docu shows their protools session already in progress so I guess they just polished up what was there already. Shame as the film has arguably along with SW the finest mono track ever mixed and it should be preserved in the vaults like the film, but then again we’re not sure if hey got the color right in every shot anyways.

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What boggles my mind is how back in 2011 Spielberg said there would be NO more alterations to his films yet they do this. One of the guys in charge of the Jaws restoration said ‘Steven wants to keep it true to the original’. Then how is upscaling a mix that sounds NOTHING like the original keeping true to the original?? Thats like having a pink house which one day gets painted black. Then one day the owner says ‘I want go back to the original’ but instead does pink polka dots. Just puzzles me but thats Hollywood for you. Audio aside, I also noticed two digital alterations as well. First the wire balancing the buoy in Chrissie’s death scene is gone and also a small glint of a sailboat seen on the horizon later in the film was removed.

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Viewing the Blu Ray again,i noticed the scene where Hendicks drops to the sand dunes after discovering Chrissie’s remains looks odd-like the colour temperature was too warm?

I think the small jump cut in the autopsy scene where Hooper’s dialogue was cut has been digitally smoothed over too?

The two shots (Taylor live-shark footage) of the shark swimming away after untangling itself from the wrecked cage don’t look colour-corrected either-the first shot has a red tint to it,while the second shot is green-tinted.

This release also looks like it might have been cropped.The previous DVD release showed more info horizontally.

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And I dont know if its me but it seems the blood of the chum has a bit of a pinkish look to it yet it looks red on the old DVD.

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crissrudd4554 said:

My video again incase anyone missed it. It was a little far down on the previous page.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Very interesting,thanks! Are there any differences with the mono track from the 1995 Signature Collection box set also,compared to the tracks in your video?

That 1991 track with the replacement background music during the Kintner scene sounded sh*t.

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Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

My video again incase anyone missed it. It was a little far down on the previous page.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Very interesting,thanks! Are there any differences with the mono track from the 1995 Signature Collection box set also,compared to the tracks in your video?

That 1991 track with the replacement background music during the Kintner scene sounded sh*t.

The 1995 LD most likely matches the 1997 LD since I have the 1995 VHS and the examples I noted from the LD are present on that VHS.

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crissrudd4554 said:

Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

My video again incase anyone missed it. It was a little far down on the previous page.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Very interesting,thanks! Are there any differences with the mono track from the 1995 Signature Collection box set also,compared to the tracks in your video?

That 1991 track with the replacement background music during the Kintner scene sounded sh*t.

The 1995 LD most likely matches the 1997 LD since I have the 1995 VHS and the examples I noted from the LD are present on that VHS.

I may be wrong but i remember the sound of the fog horn at the begining of the tiger shark autopsy sounding louder on the LD release than the Blu Ray mono track?

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If there’s any interest in a preservation, I have both the Signature and 1995 letterbox LDs and can capture the raw PCM mixes. I also have the rare 2 hour cut of THE SHARK IS STILL WORKING, which was recently released on the Blu-ray, but was cut down by Universal and rescored due to licensing issues. I think a definitive JAWS Blu-ray could be made with the resources on this site.

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I know jerryshadoe on FanRes has the 1997 LD track synced to the BD. I’d actually like to maybe hear a hybrid mix using the 2005 mono as base, cause compared to the 2012 mono IMO its somewhat crisper and less flawed, but elements from the LD track. Another issue the 2005 and 2012 mono tracks have is some slight crackle in some places, notably the shark cage attack.

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crissrudd4554 said:

I know jerryshadoe on FanRes has the 1997 LD track synced to the BD. I’d actually like to maybe hear a hybrid mix using the 2005 mono as base, cause compared to the 2012 mono IMO its somewhat crisper and less flawed, but elements from the LD track. Another issue the 2005 and 2012 mono tracks have is some slight crackle in some places, notably the shark cage attack.

The 2005 DVD and 2012 Blu Ray mono soundtracks may be the same.I noticed damage in the same spot during the Kintner “Just ten more minutes.” Scene.

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They’re mostly the same but the 2012 track is slightly flawed compared to the prior releases. For a more descriptive examination check out this video I made about two months ago.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

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JawsTDS said:

If there’s any interest in a preservation, I have both the Signature and 1995 letterbox LDs and can capture the raw PCM mixes. I also have the rare 2 hour cut of THE SHARK IS STILL WORKING, which was recently released on the Blu-ray, but was cut down by Universal and rescored due to licensing issues. I think a definitive JAWS Blu-ray could be made with the resources on this site.

I agree would someone be able to get all the available tracks and have them sync up to the blu ray, sort of like Harmy did with despecialized where he included many different mixes ? That I’d love to see the ease of just popping in a disc and selecting what track I want seems like a lovely way to watch Jaws over and over listening to a diff track every time, needless to say if this happens I know what I’ll be doing that weekend lol

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This is off the topic of audio but it’d be nice to have the wire from the opening scene and a sailboat on the horizon later on the film that were both digitally removed for the BD restored to the film.

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crissrudd4554 said:

This is off the topic of audio but it’d be nice to have the wire from the opening scene and a sailboat on the horizon later on the film that were both digitally removed for the BD restored to the film.

I never really noticed, I heard about the sailboat and honestly it’s not a huge deal to me but still I’m sure someone could restor it quite easily btw what wire are you referring to, I wonder if those were supposed to be in the movie in the first place it seems like such a small thing to randomly change lol

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The wire balancing the buoy. Neither of these ommissions are a big deal but I am a purist so having it preserved untouched would be neat. I find it strange that these were removed to begin with since Spielberg said he would not be making any further alterations to his films, even mentioning he would not remove the wire guiding the plane in 1941. Like I said not a biggie but something to consider for a potential future project.

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Jp4195 said:

JawsTDS said:

If there’s any interest in a preservation, I have both the Signature and 1995 letterbox LDs and can capture the raw PCM mixes. I also have the rare 2 hour cut of THE SHARK IS STILL WORKING, which was recently released on the Blu-ray, but was cut down by Universal and rescored due to licensing issues. I think a definitive JAWS Blu-ray could be made with the resources on this site.

I agree would someone be able to get all the available tracks and have them sync up to the blu ray, sort of like Harmy did with despecialized where he included many different mixes ? That I’d love to see the ease of just popping in a disc and selecting what track I want seems like a lovely way to watch Jaws over and over listening to a diff track every time, needless to say if this happens I know what I’ll be doing that weekend lol

I second this.

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crissrudd4554 said:

The 7.1 mix is actually an upscale of the 5.1 mix from the original DVD release and as a result still features most of the new sound FX added back in 2000. Some original sound FX were restored but not much. The only ones Ive noticed were the original whale cry, Brody pumping the rifle before climbing the mast, and the ricochet when the bullet hits the airtank. Many fans were quite pleased the latter was restored and rightly so but personally I dont think it meshes well with the newer sound effects. There were some things about the 7.1 mix that I think improved over the 5.1. Brody’s ‘bigger boat’ line is somewhat louder and not as drowned out by the music as it was on the 5.1. When he says ‘Smile you son of bi***’ its also somewhat louder than on the 5.1 although ‘bi***’ is still obscured by the bullet shot. You can only properly hear that word in the mono mix. Just the same I prefer the mono mix either way although it is a shame that even the version of that track thats in use now has issues.

Old post but figured I’d share some examples of this for anyone who are misinformed. As some know a lot of the reviews for the Jaws BD seem to give the impression the 7.1 mix faithfully replicates the original mono in surround. This is false and here’s the proof.

Mono

https://youtu.be/EQMZC_7KyIE

Surround (2000 mix)

https://youtu.be/FpxOLhuNXfM

Surround (2012 mix)

https://youtu.be/-MBNYeBP1jg

Note that the last two are more or less the same?? The last one has slightly better balance and it does restore Brody pumping the rifle and the ricochet but nonetheless clearly is not a surround replication of the mono.

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JawsTDS said:

If there’s any interest in a preservation, I have both the Signature and 1995 letterbox LDs and can capture the raw PCM mixes. I also have the rare 2 hour cut of THE SHARK IS STILL WORKING, which was recently released on the Blu-ray, but was cut down by Universal and rescored due to licensing issues. I think a definitive JAWS Blu-ray could be made with the resources on this site.

The original was 3+ hours.

Are you sure you have the original?

https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/29865/shark-is-still-working-the-impact-and-legacy-of-jaws-the/?___rd=1

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The upcoming UHD release will have the mono in both Dolby and DTS. Be interesting to see how they different.

EDIT: I was wrong. The mono is only in DTS.

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Hi all, I’m doing a little project whilst in lockdown. I plan to analyse the Oscar winning mono soundtrack to Jaws, scene by scene. I’d read here that the 2005 30th Anniversary DVD had the original theatrical mono soundtrack. I tracked down a copy of the DVD. Sadly, the version I have which is the 2 disc 30th anniversary special edition, 2005 (here in the UK) does not include the original theatrical mono soundtrack. Only the 5.1 dolby and DTS versions. Sad news!

Does anyone here have a rip of the mono soundtrack from the 2005 DVD that they would be willing to share so I can marry that audio to the picture? Thank you very much!

Peter.