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Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military. He has the nuke codes. The President is the person the country turns to during times of national crisis. Think natural disaster. Think 911. Even if I did agree with Trumps policies(and I don’t), I doubt I could vote for him.

Mrebo, do you think you’ll vote for Trump in 2020?

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military. He has the nuke codes. The President is the person the country turns to during times of national crisis. Think natural disaster. Think 911. Even if I did agree with Trumps policies(and I don’t), I doubt I could vote for him.

Mrebo, do you think you’ll vote for Trump in 2020?

The blue elephant in the room.

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moviefreakedmind said:

My vote doesn’t count where I live. I suspect that any letter to my representatives would be promptly filed in the garbage and pushing for change isn’t something I want to do and even if I did it’d be a waste of my time because no one cares about what I have to say.

Oh well.

The cops do have the power to be principled and not arrest people for victimless crimes.

So how far do you want that to go? who decides what is and is not a victimless crime.

Me. In all seriousness, it’s common sense.

To you it is common sense, maybe to me too. (although I once walked by people whom I think were smoking marijuana and the smell made me sick to my stomach and almost made me vomit)

No one with any grasp on reality thinks that marijuana is a dangerous drug worthy of being criminalized.

and yet it was criminalized. So I guess some people thought it was a dangerous drug.

I am not saying that it is a dangerous drug. If it is not, change the law. But don’t blame cops cause others passed a bad law.

They often don’t do that, though because the justice system and our private prisons thrive and throwing innocent people in jail.

huh?

Yeah, that was not my proudest grammatical moment. I said, “They often don’t do that [meaning looking the other way on drug possession charges] because people in our justice system and our private prison industry make so much money off of imprisoning people, even if they’re innocent or not deserving of being in prison.”

You do realize the powers that be can’t just throw people in jail, right? You do realize that people have a right to a trial in which a jury of their peers(and not government) decides their fate.

Like I said, principled men and women wouldn’t be a part of this. Sell-outs that want paychecks might be able to ignore their consciences enough to do it.

*sigh* (that is the only reasonable response I can think of to this.)

How is that reasonable and how is what I said unreasonable. I find it really insulting when I get disregarded as though I’m just some fool that isn’t even worthy responding to.

Then don’t post foolish things.

I am not totally against looking the other way sometimes.

On cases of drug possession (especially marijuana possession) any cop, judge, or prosecutor that doesn’t look the other way disgusts me and is immoral to the core and is antithetical to American freedom and I think we’d be better off if they were immediately removed from their positions of power.

Oh good grief.

What? Arresting someone and potentially ruining their life because they imbibed marijuana is a disgusting crime against humanity.

a crime against humanity?

Like I said if the law is bad, change it. But don’t blame the cops cause a bad law was passed.

and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder.

So you want the sheriff to just be able to do whatever he wants until it is not what you agree with.

No. I think he should do everything in his power to advocate for reforming the law and until that happens he should step down. You shouldn’t be able to sleep at night if you’re a part of this unjust bullshit.

Oh brother. It is easy to say that someone should quit their job when they aren’t the one with the job in question.

I’ve quit plenty of jobs that offended my sensibilities.

Well that is great for you. Others like their job. Others have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

He can advocate for reform without quitting his job.

He doesn’t even seem to be doing that.

I don’t know that it is the sheriff’s job to do that. It is the sheriff’s job to enforce the law(whether he agrees with the law in question or not)

Might sometimes come to that in extreme circumstances like that holocaust, yes. I don’t see this situation as that extreme.

Why do we have to let it get that extreme before taking a stand?

Because otherwise you don’t have a law abiding civilized society. The law is not a suggestion or advice.

I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

So you are saying you don’t like a American and our Constitutional, democratic republic form of government. Got it. I can’t say I am shocked by this.

I would argue that what we have now makes a mockery of the democratic republic form of government that our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Corrupt people have more or less monopolized the power in this country and present us with shitty choices each election cycle. My vote, because I’m surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything I stand for, counts for nothing in elections at the local, state, or federal level. Presumably that is not what “a American” government was supposed to be.

If you are surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything you stand for, there is nothing the government can do about that.

I didn’t ask them to do anything about that. I was just explaining why my vote counts for nothing where I live.

It sometimes happens that one is in the minority. (unless you either want the government to force you or those around you to move)

It wouldn’t matter where I live, I’d still be a minority on some level. I feel like a total immigrant in this life and don’t think of myself as a member of human society.

*sigh*

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military. He has the nuke codes. The President is the person the country turns to during times of national crisis. Think natural disaster. Think 911. Even if I did agree with Trumps policies(and I don’t), I doubt I could vote for him.

Mrebo, do you think you’ll vote for Trump in 2020?

Good.

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TV’s Frink said:

Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.

Oh, absolutely. Nonetheless, his actions in protecting himself are putting this nation in jeopardy, alienating our allies, and appeasing the Russians at every turn. It’s just gotten so obvious I’m shocked nothing is being done about it.

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Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.

Oh, absolutely. Nonetheless, his actions in protecting himself are putting this nation in jeopardy, alienating our allies, and appeasing the Russians at every turn. It’s just gotten so obvious I’m shocked nothing is being done about it.

Of course nothing is being done about it. Republicans have fully given themselves over to Trump and they’re the ones in power.

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.

Oh, absolutely. Nonetheless, his actions in protecting himself are putting this nation in jeopardy, alienating our allies, and appeasing the Russians at every turn. It’s just gotten so obvious I’m shocked nothing is being done about it.

Of course nothing is being done about it. Republicans have fully given themselves over to Trump and they’re the ones in power.

There was a whole lot of uproar on his Helsinki statements from Republicans.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Yeah, I heard the criticisms, but that’s all show so long as nothing is actually being done.

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Handman said:

Yeah, I heard the criticisms, but that’s all show so long as nothing is actually being done.

This.

Anyone remember the “uproar” over the pussy tape? They made comments like “I can’t look my daughter in the face and tell her I still support this monster.” Then they went crawling right back to him.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military.

Commander-in-chief.

…just saying.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

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Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

It is the next logical step, although I don’t think it’s a conclusion by any means.

It’s what the right (or America in general, I suppose) gets for allowing the ball to roll down the hill starting from Lee Atwater, through to Rush, and Hannity, and Fox News. I talked to my family recently and lamented how disappointing it is that so many Republicans demonize opposition and glorify themselves so as to maintain lockstep with whatever nonsense Republican leadership is up to. My Dad then mentioned that they’ve been doing that since Lee Atwater was a political consultant for Ronald Reagan; and that Atwater, in fact, apologized on his deathbed for causing this.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The Presidency is not just solely about policy issues. It is a leadership position. He is the commander and chief of the military.

Commander-in-chief.

…just saying.

true.

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Mrebo said:

What is supposed to be done?

Consider: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-criticism-of-trump-is-all-talk-but-it-still-matters/

How about anything besides talk?

Trump’s possible (and growing more likely by the day) compromised position with Russia is an ongoing national security threat. Maybe start by investigating that. Specifically, maybe start by finding out what’s in his tax returns that he’s so afraid of getting out.

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chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

It is the next logical step, although I don’t think it’s a conclusion by any means.

It’s what the right (or America in general, I suppose) gets for allowing the ball to roll down the hill starting from Lee Atwater, through to Rush, and Hannity, and Fox News. I talked to my family recently and lamented how disappointing it is that so many Republicans demonize opposition and glorify themselves so as to maintain lockstep with whatever nonsense Republican leadership is up to. My Dad then mentioned that they’ve been doing that since Lee Atwater was a political consultant for Ronald Reagan; and that Atwater, in fact, apologized on his deathbed for causing this.

Yeah but Bush and Obama right Mrebo?

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Has the ok hand sign:

become a symbol of the KKK?

I heard cops in Albama were suspended for making this symbol.

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It is considered an obscene gesture in South America though.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

It is the next logical step, although I don’t think it’s a conclusion by any means.

It’s what the right (or America in general, I suppose) gets for allowing the ball to roll down the hill starting from Lee Atwater, through to Rush, and Hannity, and Fox News. I talked to my family recently and lamented how disappointing it is that so many Republicans demonize opposition and glorify themselves so as to maintain lockstep with whatever nonsense Republican leadership is up to. My Dad then mentioned that they’ve been doing that since Lee Atwater was a political consultant for Ronald Reagan; and that Atwater, in fact, apologized on his deathbed for causing this.

Yeah but Bush and Obama right Mrebo?

Hey, who are we to contest chyron’s dad.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

Has the ok hand sign:

become a symbol of the KKK?

It is and it isn’t.
https://lifehacker.com/is-this-an-innocent-ok-sign-or-a-white-power-symbol-1825575794

Some people think it is, and some people do use it to mean that; but many who use it aren’t alt-right and don’t mean it to mean that. I think it’s still up in the air whether it’s associated with that or not. Some people are starting to associate it, but it’s not really caught on. So yes and no.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

Has the ok hand sign:

become a symbol of the KKK?

It is and it isn’t.
https://lifehacker.com/is-this-an-innocent-ok-sign-or-a-white-power-symbol-1825575794

Some people think it is, and some people do use it to mean that; but many who use it aren’t alt-right and don’t mean it to mean that. I think it’s still up in the air whether it’s associated with that or not. Some people are starting to associate it, but it’s not really caught on. So yes and no.

There also may be more people like me out there that have no idea of any sinister meaning to the okay symbol and just think it means “okay”.