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Warbler said:

So you want cops to decide for themselves which laws are just and unjust? You really want cops to decide for themselves which laws they are going to enforce and which they are not? You really want to give cops that much power? I thought you didn’t like cops, I thought you didn’t trust them?

No one worthy of any respect would be willing to arrest someone for smoking marijuana and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder. I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

I will say however that I having difficulty seeing how “stand your ground” justifies this shooting.

Difficulty?

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Warbler said:

So you want cops to decide for themselves which laws are just and unjust? You really want cops to decide for themselves which laws they are going to enforce and which they are not? You really want to give cops that much power? I thought you didn’t like cops, I thought you didn’t trust them?

No one worthy of any respect would be willing to arrest someone for smoking marijuana

If someone should not be arrested for smoking marijuana, change the law that says they should be arrested for it. I am not totally against looking the other way sometimes. But when dealing with the death of someone, you can’t just look the other way and ignore the law(barring extreme circumstances like the holocaust)

and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder.

So you want the sheriff to just be able to do whatever he wants until it is not what you agree with.

I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

So you are saying you don’t like a American and our Constitutional, democratic republic form of government. Got it. I can’t say I am shocked by this.

I will say however that I having difficulty seeing how “stand your ground” justifies this shooting.

Difficulty?

Yes.

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So you want cops to decide for themselves which laws are just and unjust? You really want cops to decide for themselves which laws they are going to enforce and which they are not? You really want to give cops that much power? I thought you didn’t like cops, I thought you didn’t trust them?

No one worthy of any respect would be willing to arrest someone for smoking marijuana

If someone should not be arrested for smoking marijuana, change the law that says they should be arrested for it.

I don’t have the power to do that and you know it. The cops do have the power to be principled and not arrest people for victimless crimes. They often don’t do that, though because the justice system and our private prisons thrive and throwing innocent people in jail. Like I said, principled men and women wouldn’t be a part of this. Sell-outs that want paychecks might be able to ignore their consciences enough to do it.

I am not totally against looking the other way sometimes.

On cases of drug possession (especially marijuana possession) any cop, judge, or prosecutor that doesn’t look the other way disgusts me and is immoral to the core and is antithetical to American freedom and I think we’d be better off if they were immediately removed from their positions of power.

But when dealing with the death of someone, you can’t just look the other way and ignore the law(barring extreme circumstances like the holocaust)

The law calls for looking the other way. I’m advocating that they don’t look the other way and actually treat this as the crime that it is.

and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder.

So you want the sheriff to just be able to do whatever he wants until it is not what you agree with.

No. I think he should do everything in his power to advocate for reforming the law and until that happens he should step down. You shouldn’t be able to sleep at night if you’re a part of this unjust bullshit.

I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

So you are saying you don’t like a American and our Constitutional, democratic republic form of government. Got it. I can’t say I am shocked by this.

I would argue that what we have now makes a mockery of the democratic republic form of government that our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Corrupt people have more or less monopolized the power in this country and present us with shitty choices each election cycle. My vote, because I’m surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything I stand for, counts for nothing in elections at the local, state, or federal level. Presumably that is not what “a American” government was supposed to be.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So you want cops to decide for themselves which laws are just and unjust? You really want cops to decide for themselves which laws they are going to enforce and which they are not? You really want to give cops that much power? I thought you didn’t like cops, I thought you didn’t trust them?

No one worthy of any respect would be willing to arrest someone for smoking marijuana

If someone should not be arrested for smoking marijuana, change the law that says they should be arrested for it.

I don’t have the power to do that and you know it.

You can vote for people to do so. You can write letters. You can push for change.

The cops do have the power to be principled and not arrest people for victimless crimes.

So how far do you want that to go? who decides what is and is not a victimless crime.

They often don’t do that, though because the justice system and our private prisons thrive and throwing innocent people in jail.

huh?

Like I said, principled men and women wouldn’t be a part of this. Sell-outs that want paychecks might be able to ignore their consciences enough to do it.

*sigh* (that is the only reasonable response I can think of to this.)

I am not totally against looking the other way sometimes.

On cases of drug possession (especially marijuana possession) any cop, judge, or prosecutor that doesn’t look the other way disgusts me and is immoral to the core and is antithetical to American freedom and I think we’d be better off if they were immediately removed from their positions of power.

Oh good grief.

But when dealing with the death of someone, you can’t just look the other way and ignore the law(barring extreme circumstances like the holocaust)

The law calls for looking the other way. I’m advocating that they don’t look the other way and actually treat this as the crime that it is.

No, I was referring to looking the other way in regards to “stand your ground” You wish to look the other way and ignore “stand your ground”.

and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder.

So you want the sheriff to just be able to do whatever he wants until it is not what you agree with.

No. I think he should do everything in his power to advocate for reforming the law and until that happens he should step down. You shouldn’t be able to sleep at night if you’re a part of this unjust bullshit.

Oh brother. It is easy to say that someone should quit their job when they aren’t the one with the job in question. He can advocate for reform without quitting his job. Might sometimes come to that in extreme circumstances like that holocaust, yes. I don’t see this situation as that extreme.

I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

So you are saying you don’t like a American and our Constitutional, democratic republic form of government. Got it. I can’t say I am shocked by this.

I would argue that what we have now makes a mockery of the democratic republic form of government that our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Corrupt people have more or less monopolized the power in this country and present us with shitty choices each election cycle. My vote, because I’m surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything I stand for, counts for nothing in elections at the local, state, or federal level. Presumably that is not what “a American” government was supposed to be.

If you are surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything you stand for, there is nothing the government can do about that. It sometimes happens that one is in the minority. (unless you either want the government to force you or those around you to move)

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So you want cops to decide for themselves which laws are just and unjust? You really want cops to decide for themselves which laws they are going to enforce and which they are not? You really want to give cops that much power? I thought you didn’t like cops, I thought you didn’t trust them?

No one worthy of any respect would be willing to arrest someone for smoking marijuana

If someone should not be arrested for smoking marijuana, change the law that says they should be arrested for it.

I don’t have the power to do that and you know it.

You can vote for people to do so. You can write letters. You can push for change.

My vote doesn’t count where I live. I suspect that any letter to my representatives would be promptly filed in the garbage and pushing for change isn’t something I want to do and even if I did it’d be a waste of my time because no one cares about what I have to say.

The cops do have the power to be principled and not arrest people for victimless crimes.

So how far do you want that to go? who decides what is and is not a victimless crime.

Me. In all seriousness, it’s common sense. No one with any grasp on reality thinks that marijuana is a dangerous drug worthy of being criminalized.

They often don’t do that, though because the justice system and our private prisons thrive and throwing innocent people in jail.

huh?

Yeah, that was not my proudest grammatical moment. I said, “They often don’t do that [meaning looking the other way on drug possession charges] because people in our justice system and our private prison industry make so much money off of imprisoning people, even if they’re innocent or not deserving of being in prison.”

Like I said, principled men and women wouldn’t be a part of this. Sell-outs that want paychecks might be able to ignore their consciences enough to do it.

*sigh* (that is the only reasonable response I can think of to this.)

How is that reasonable and how is what I said unreasonable. I find it really insulting when I get disregarded as though I’m just some fool that isn’t even worthy responding to.

I am not totally against looking the other way sometimes.

On cases of drug possession (especially marijuana possession) any cop, judge, or prosecutor that doesn’t look the other way disgusts me and is immoral to the core and is antithetical to American freedom and I think we’d be better off if they were immediately removed from their positions of power.

Oh good grief.

What? Arresting someone and potentially ruining their life because they imbibed marijuana is a disgusting crime against humanity.

But when dealing with the death of someone, you can’t just look the other way and ignore the law(barring extreme circumstances like the holocaust)

The law calls for looking the other way. I’m advocating that they don’t look the other way and actually treat this as the crime that it is.

No, I was referring to looking the other way in regards to “stand your ground” You wish to look the other way and ignore “stand your ground”.

Yes.

and no one worthy of any respect would uphold laws allowing murder.

So you want the sheriff to just be able to do whatever he wants until it is not what you agree with.

No. I think he should do everything in his power to advocate for reforming the law and until that happens he should step down. You shouldn’t be able to sleep at night if you’re a part of this unjust bullshit.

Oh brother. It is easy to say that someone should quit their job when they aren’t the one with the job in question.

I’ve quit plenty of jobs that offended my sensibilities.

He can advocate for reform without quitting his job.

He doesn’t even seem to be doing that.

Might sometimes come to that in extreme circumstances like that holocaust, yes. I don’t see this situation as that extreme.

Why do we have to let it get that extreme before taking a stand?

I’m saying that I don’t respect cops because I don’t respect the laws and systems that they uphold. If anything, I’m saying that the respectable cops need to wake up and get out of their police departments.

So you are saying you don’t like a American and our Constitutional, democratic republic form of government. Got it. I can’t say I am shocked by this.

I would argue that what we have now makes a mockery of the democratic republic form of government that our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Corrupt people have more or less monopolized the power in this country and present us with shitty choices each election cycle. My vote, because I’m surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything I stand for, counts for nothing in elections at the local, state, or federal level. Presumably that is not what “a American” government was supposed to be.

If you are surrounded by people diametrically opposed to everything you stand for, there is nothing the
government can do about that.

I didn’t ask them to do anything about that. I was just explaining why my vote counts for nothing where I live.

It sometimes happens that one is in the minority. (unless you either want the government to force you or those around you to move)

It wouldn’t matter where I live, I’d still be a minority on some level. I feel like a total immigrant in this life and don’t think of myself as a member of human society.

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REAL MEN WITH A REAL MESSAGE USE ALL-CAPS — FOR REAL!

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What specifically brought this rant on? Iran threatens us like every other week.

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This was the first that Trump had heard of it. I think the Trump Administration is gearing up for an illegal invasion of Iran, potentially. That’s the only reason I can see for pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, which is what prevented Iran from developing nuclear weaponry. Now Iran has no obligation to follow that agreement, so I think that we might get another bogus Middle East war over phony WMDs soon.

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After everything that happened last week, I don’t know how anyone who isn’t a terrible person can still support Trump.

And since Republicans in government continue to make excuses for him, I have to conclude anyone who still supports Republicans is also a terrible person.

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Yay!

The blue elephant in the room.

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Hey if you’re a fan of treason more power to you.

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Mostly I object to your silly “terrible person” label. I don’t think you actually believe that and it’s not persuasive.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

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Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

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Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

Not really. Didn’t vote for him but have been pleasantly surprised by many policy decisions/nominations. The tariff and immigration policies are not to my liking. Then there are the personal issues and inability to be focused and coherent. On the other side are people in hysterics. Neither side makes it easy for people who care about the policy issues.

The blue elephant in the room.

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

The blue elephant in the room.

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TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

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Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

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I held off on believing the Russia thing for a long time, it just seemed too absurd, but I’m now convinced that Trump’s loyalties are in question. I’m very scared.

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Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.

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TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

You’d cry too if it happened to you.

Yes I would.

With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.

Sometimes Trump is said to be a horrible aberration contrary to conservative principles and criticism of him is uniquely justified and different from criticism of past (and future) Republican presidents.

Then there’s stuff like this, that he is the apex of conservatism and the whole movement needs to commit seppuku for the good of the nation.

While Trump is in many ways an abberation, I’ve seen the same criticisms and hysteria before. It was pretty much the same gainst Bush and against Obama.

The blue elephant in the room.

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?

All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.

What about me? I am technically a registered republican. I like to think of myself as a rino(republican in name only). It should be well known on here that I can’t stand Trump, I do not support him, and I did not vote for him. So is it really true that ALL Republicans are Trump supporters?