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Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.
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Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.
Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!
The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.
You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.
Do we want more Cold War?
Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?
Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.
It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.
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Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.
What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.
What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.
Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.
I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.
Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.
Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.
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Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.
The argument that it makes sense to vote for someone based on the fact that some people that have nothing to do with our government have said things that are ridiculous blows my mind. I can’t imagine voting for a candidate based on what irrelevant citizens say.
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Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.
Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!
The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.
You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.
Do we want more Cold War?
Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?
Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.
It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.
There are areas of our country that don’t want the police around even where there are murders going on. These are complex issues.
Obviously we need to face the Russia situation. I’m not sure what we do, whether we go back to a Cold War situation or what. Events have been pushing us in that direction well before Trump. And yes, the politics now makes it more difficult. I’m not talking about Trump, just what can our country do about Russia.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.
The argument that it makes sense to vote for someone based on the fact that some people that have nothing to do with our government have said things that are ridiculous blows my mind. I can’t imagine voting for a candidate based on what irrelevant citizens say.
I count on Frink missing the point. My jab at Frink shouldn’t be taken so seriously. But the sneering attitude is a turn off to many people who try to engage in good faith.
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Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.
Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!
The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.
You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.
Do we want more Cold War?
Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?
Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.
It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.
There are areas of our country that don’t want the police around even where there are murders going on. These are complex issues.
That’s because the police are constantly beating the shit out of innocent people or outright murdering them. That wasn’t even my point, I was just using it as an example of what you were obviously implying.
Obviously we need to face the Russia situation. I’m not sure what we do, whether we go back to a Cold War situation or what. Events have been pushing us in that direction well before Trump. And yes, the politics now makes it more difficult. I’m not talking about Trump, just what can our country do about Russia.
What does that have to do with anything? You’re redirecting the discussion away from Trump’s actions again.
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Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.
What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.
What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.
Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.
Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.
I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.
Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.
Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.
But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.
What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.
What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.
Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.
Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.
I don’t know. I’m an angry guy full of bitterness and hatred, so I don’t think I get much better than that.
I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.
Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.
Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.
But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.
Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.
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Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.
Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!
The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.
You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.
Do we want more Cold War?
Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?
Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.
It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.
There are areas of our country that don’t want the police around even where there are murders going on. These are complex issues.
That’s because the police are constantly beating the shit out of innocent people or outright murdering them. That wasn’t even my point, I was just using it as an example of what you were obviously implying.
It’s a good analogy you came up with that helpfully illustrates what I’m arguing.
Obviously we need to face the Russia situation. I’m not sure what we do, whether we go back to a Cold War situation or what. Events have been pushing us in that direction well before Trump. And yes, the politics now makes it more difficult. I’m not talking about Trump, just what can our country do about Russia.
What does that have to do with anything? You’re redirecting the discussion away from Trump’s actions again.
Okay…I was talking about Russia. Still am. As I said before, talk about Trump to your heart’s content. But I’m addressing the problem with Russia that will be with us past Trump.
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But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.
Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.
I’m assuming many people believe said characteristic is not necessarily immutable.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.
Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.
I’m assuming many people believe said characteristic is not necessarily immutable.
Well that’s just too bad for those people then isn’t it? Not all beliefs are deserving of respect.
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Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.
What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.
What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.
Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.
Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.
I don’t know. I’m an angry guy full of bitterness and hatred, so I don’t think I get much better than that.
But you do better when you’re not trying to run a point into the ground. I’ve seen it.
I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.
Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.
Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.
But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.
Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.
Can be, but not always. Obvious example that we’ve been discussing is religious organizations. Private clubs and individuals can also discriminate.
We could under American law require all adoption agencies to not discriminate, but the fact that religious organizations are allowed is not itself illegal. This is all the stuff we’ve been discussing.
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Not sorry.
If it weren’t for the rules in place here, I would give this the response it deserves.
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Not sorry.
If it weren’t for the rules in place here, I would give this the response it deserves.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.
I’ve never understood that mindset. It sounds like the logic of a child who only gets more angry and nasty when you tell them they’re misbehaving.
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Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.
I’ve never understood that mindset. It sounds like the logic of a child who only gets more angry and nasty when you tell them they’re misbehaving.
To be fair, most people’s logic behind electoral choices is pretty weak. When people say they’re voting for a candidate because the people on the other side are sneering loudmouths, that’s not really true. The vast majority of people would vote the same way regardless, they might just feel even better about their choice. There is some effect of not wanting to be in the company of people who seem loony or racist or deplorable or smug, etc. That’s perfectly understandable, but as I said I don’t think many votes are affected.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Well, I know it effected my vote. There are a few Republicans I would have preferred instead of Hillary Clinton. There some if I had to choose between one of them and Hillary, I would vote third party. But Trump seemed so bad to me that I felt I had to vote in a way to give him the lowest chance possible that my vote could do. To that meant voting for Hillary. I felt opposition to Trump needed to be unified and in that election that meant voting for Hillary. If it had been Jeb Bush instead of Trump, I might have voted third party. If it had been Kasich running against Hillary, I might have considered voting for him at the time or voted third party, I would not have voted for Hillary. So you see Trump being a sneering loudmouth can effect how someone votes.
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Not sorry.
If it weren’t for the rules in place here, I would give this the response it deserves.
yeah, yeah.
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Well, I know it effected my vote. There are a few Republicans I would have preferred instead of Hillary Clinton. There some if I had to choose between one of them and Hillary, I would vote third party. But Trump seemed so bad to me that I felt I had to vote in a way to give him the lowest chance possible that my vote could do. To that meant voting for Hillary. I felt opposition to Trump needed to be unified and in that election that meant voting for Hillary. If it had been Jeb Bush instead of Trump, I might have voted third party. If it had been Kasich running against Hillary, I might have considered voting for him at the time or voted third party, I would not have voted for Hillary. So you see Trump being a sneering loudmouth can effect how someone votes.
But we’re talking about the supporters not the candidates.
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here we go again.
I don’t know the full story, but either it is more than a black woman trying to use a coupon, or that manager has some sort of mental or physical disability. You don’t get shaken that visibly just from black woman trying to use a coupon, even if you are racist. Also if you list to the audio you can here a siren going off, why?
The local news my area already compared it to the incident of the two black men being arrested at Star Bucks.
I may or may not address more about this later, but I do with to address this:
While on the phone with police, Matson describes Hudson as “African-American,” to which she responds, “Black. No, I’m not African-American, I’m black. Black isn’t a bad word.”
Dear Ms. Hudson,
It may shock you realize this, but white people are not mind readers. They can’t tell before hand whether you prefer the term black or African American or whatever. You know for a fact that some people of your race consider African American and not black as the proper term. How this guy supposed to know which term you prefer(and I don’t think he should have to ask you when he is calling the cops on you). You may wish to ask why he has to refer to your race at all, well like it or not, your race is part of your description and one thing police are going ask when you call them is what the person you are calling about looks like. It frustrates and angers me that something so obvious needs to be explained. But I guess it does.
Sincerely,
The Warbler.
Dear Ms. Hudson,
I read another account where you said you were told to had to leave the store or you would be arrested for criminal trespass. You said you were upset that though you thought the cops acted professionally, that it seemed to you that the cops for there for the store managers and not for you. It seems you and other people do not realize that a store is not public property. A CVS store is the property of CVS. A CVS employee and manager represent CVS. If a CVS employee or manager tells you that you have to leave the store, you do. If you don’t, it is called trespassing and they have every legal right to call the cops and if you refuse to leave when the cops tell you to leave, they have every legal right to arrest you. This is like if someone came into your house and you told them to leave, they have to leave. If they don’t leave, what are you going to do? I think you would agree that you would have every right to call the cops. If the cops tell them to leave and they don’t, I am going to bet you’d want the cops to arrest them or bodily throw them out. So, would you have preferred the cops to bodily throw you out or just threaten you with arrest if you don’t leave? Additionally, I noticed in an article that you said you opened the door of an employees only section of the store, I do not know how close you came to entering the section, but newsflash: when the door says “employees only”, they mean it. That part of the story and the fact that manager was visibly shaking and a siren could be heard going off suggests to me that you yourself were not perfectly behaved in this incident. Additionally, one article I read says that maybe part of your coupon was hand written. If that is the case, it is obviously fraudulent. No part of a legit coupon is hand written. Despite the fact that CVS has said it has concluded its investigation and fired the two managers involved in this incident, I continue to believe there more to the story(especially since all we have heard is your side of the story).
Sincerely,
The Warbler
Dear CVS managers involved in this incident,
If you are not actually racists and there is more to the story you and had good legit reason to call the cops on this lady, I strongly suggest you share it. I see incidents like this happen a lot and again and again only one side speaks out and media run with it and assumes the one account they are given to be the complete and accurate truth. I believe the media is motivated by their left leanings to run with a story like this in order to prove that racism is alive and well. I do not believe that media is doing their jobs when they just run with one side of a story and don’t investigate to make sure they have all the facts. I believe this to be the case with the incident in the Starbucks in Philadelphia. If that is what is happening here, I wish you to get your side out and show that the media is doing a poor job of covering stories like that. It may also be wise to get legal help. Again, this is all assuming you are not racist and that you had legit reason(s) to refuse the coupon and call the cops on this lady. If you do not have legit reasons and you are racists and you refused the coupon and called the cops because you hate black people, F___ OFF!
Sincerely,
The Warbler
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Do you think that there is even one portion of your letter to CVS that they haven’t already fully considered?
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