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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 653

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Rebel1990 said:

https://share-your-photo.com/4db3792083

Strange. At first I was concerned about an entire frame slipping in somewhere, as these kinds of things can happen in the editing process. I have a decent process for checking for those faults, though. This looks much more like an encoding or playback error.

This kind of encoding error may have happened on my end, but it seems a little less likely to me. Can you give the details of the file? Format, exact size, checksum ideally? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something someone transcoded into a smaller file to throw on a public tracker, but perhaps not!

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A friend of mine did the burning for me as I do not have the equipment to do so. I will ask him next time I see him.

towne32 said:

Rebel1990 said:

https://share-your-photo.com/4db3792083

Strange. At first I was concerned about an entire frame slipping in somewhere, as these kinds of things can happen in the editing process. I have a decent process for checking for those faults, though. This looks much more like an encoding or playback error.

This kind of encoding error may have happened on my end, but it seems a little less likely to me. Can you give the details of the file? Format, exact size, checksum ideally? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something someone transcoded into a smaller file to throw on a public tracker, but perhaps not!

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I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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Thank you all. Then we will try next time.

ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

Or the player might be converting 720p24 to 1080i for HDMI transmission, and the TV’s turning is back into 1080p and one or both of the devices are not handling it well. 720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

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I tried it on two different players, both with the same outcome. The sound does not skip though.

It’s only a minor glitch and I should not complain, but as a Fan… 😉

CatBus said:

ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

Or the player might be converting 720p24 to 1080i for HDMI transmission, and the TV’s turning is back into 1080p and one or both of the devices are not handling it well. 720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

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“Official?” Are there different versions? I am pretty sure he followed Harmy’s instructions.> ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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CatBus said:

720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

Are you sure? I never heard that HDMI cannot transmit 720p24.

Anyway, the two half-frames of Rebel1990’s screenshot are #166 974 and #166 988, so it seems that there is a gap of 14 frames in his version. So it is more than probably an error during the encoding made by his friend.

Rebel1990 said:

“Official?” Are there different versions? I am pretty sure he followed Harmy’s instructions.> ZigZig said:

Well, there is lot of people who reencoded the files, with less subtitles, only one audio track, or a higher compression (or who sell it on eBay 😦 ). I just want to mean that I checked the original file as I downloaded it when it was released.

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No, I did not buy them. My friend told me that he had the DE editions and offered to burn a copy for me. I bought the blu rays and he did what he had offered.> ZigZig said:

CatBus said:

720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

Are you sure? I never heard that HDMI cannot transmit 720p24.

Anyway, the two half-frames of Rebel1990’s screenshot are #166 974 and #166 988, so it seems that there is a gap of 14 frames in his version. So it is more than probably an error during the encoding made by his friend.

Rebel1990 said:

“Official?” Are there different versions? I am pretty sure he followed Harmy’s instructions.> ZigZig said:

Well, there is lot of people who reencoded the files, with less subtitles, only one audio track, or a higher compression (or who sell it on eBay 😦 ). I just want to mean that I checked the original file as I downloaded it when it was released.

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No offense mate, I did not want to insinuate that you bought it (and I’m sure you didn’t), I just answered your question about the different “versions” that are in circulation.

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Perhaps it’s how he burned it then. A lot of people dont know that you can use these (bluray compliant) mkv files without reencoding. He may have used some software that transcoded it poorly

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Thanks man 😉 I will ask my friend and tell you all what he said. Might be of some interest.

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No offense mate, I did not want to insinuate that you bought it (and I’m sure you didn’t), I just answered your question about the different “versions” that are in circulation.

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Yeah, just use tsmuxer to convert the MKV into a Blu-Ray ISO (or BDMV folder), then burn the ISO or folder directly to a disc. That way you aren’t altering the video or audio in any way, and as has been said, the existing files are already 100% Blu-Ray compatible.

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I talked to him and indeed he encoded the files (I guess to save space). Well, thanks to the help of all of you now we know where the problem is. Will give it a second try soon.

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, just use tsmuxer to convert the MKV into a Blu-Ray ISO (or BDMV folder), then burn the ISO or folder directly to a disc. That way you aren’t altering the video or audio in any way, and as has been said, the existing files are already 100% Blu-Ray compatible.

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Note that you’ll have to choose which audio track(s) to include, as well as subtitles if you include them, for it to be BR compatible, which will also save on space. Just uncheck the ones you don’t want before you hit the button to let tsmuxer do its thing.

I may be misremembering about the number of audio tracks allowed and the number included in the MKV might be fine for a BR, but either way, you can uncheck (for example) all the foreign language ones you won’t need, or keep only the 5.1 or 2.0 DTS track if you think won’t switch between them. The DTS tracks especially eat up a good chunk of file size.

Pretty sure subtitles are limited to 32 tracks on a BR, though.

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Thank you! > ChainsawAsh said:

Note that you’ll have to choose which audio track(s) to include, as well as subtitles if you include them, for it to be BR compatible, which will also save on space. Just uncheck the ones you don’t want before you hit the button to let tsmuxer do its thing.

I may be misremembering about the number of audio tracks allowed and the number included in the MKV might be fine for a BR, but either way, you can uncheck (for example) all the foreign language ones you won’t need, or keep only the 5.1 or 2.0 DTS track if you think won’t switch between them. The DTS tracks especially eat up a good chunk of file size.

Pretty sure subtitles are limited to 32 tracks on a BR, though.

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Yep, maximum 32 tracks on a Blu-ray disc. And yeah 720p24 is weird. It’d BD-compliant, but it’s not an HDMI-supported resolution, so all players do some sort of conversion before sending to a display – ideally upscaled to 1080p24, but many players are less than ideal, so you never quite know for sure.

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CatBus said:

Yep, maximum 32 tracks on a Blu-ray disc. And yeah 720p24 is weird. It’d BD-compliant, but it’s not an HDMI-supported resolution, so all players do some sort of conversion before sending to a display – ideally upscaled to 1080p24, but many players are less than ideal, so you never quite know for sure.

AFAIK, there is no 720p24 standard in the HDTV specifications, but this limit is not related to HDMI. Could you please tell me more about the HDMI-supported resolutions?

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ZigZig said:

CatBus said:

Yep, maximum 32 tracks on a Blu-ray disc. And yeah 720p24 is weird. It’d BD-compliant, but it’s not an HDMI-supported resolution, so all players do some sort of conversion before sending to a display – ideally upscaled to 1080p24, but many players are less than ideal, so you never quite know for sure.

AFAIK, there is no 720p24 standard in the HDTV specifications, but this limit is not related to HDMI. Could you please tell me more about the HDMI-supported resolutions?

Wow, that’s actually harder to find that you’d think, most places just list maximums. I only know Blu-ray players cannot and will not pass 720p24 natively to a display over HDMI. IIRC it is related to HDMI, but I suppose it could be the HDTV failing to support the resolution at the other end.

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pittrek said:

If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

This is funny. I’ve seen many Star Trek posts get hijacked and go into a discussion of Star Wars, but rarely the other way around!

I was curious about the Star Trek original series as well. I did some digging and found that there are some audio on the blu-ray set which is not entirely. I was kind of surprised some enterprising (no pun intended) fan had not taken the audio from the laserdiscs and set it to the blu-ray picture or something.
I don’t know exact episodes, but I know some of the opening credits there is dispute about which music played. There is a found effect of a phaser rifle being thrown in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and one of Spock’s lines in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” There may be others as well, maybe some musical cues were messed with and they added some ship engine noise for the DVD release. Anywhere, I have the set and enjoy it, but there are purists who would love to have the original “night of broadcast” audio and that doesn’t truly seem what was provided. I will end my Trek discussion on this Star Wars thread so as not to run afoul of the moderators. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion if you feel the urge.

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tbird97 said:

pittrek said:

If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

This is funny. I’ve seen many Star Trek posts get hijacked and go into a discussion of Star Wars, but rarely the other way around!

I was curious about the Star Trek original series as well. I did some digging and found that there are some audio on the blu-ray set which is not entirely. I was kind of surprised some enterprising (no pun intended) fan had not taken the audio from the laserdiscs and set it to the blu-ray picture or something.
I don’t know exact episodes, but I know some of the opening credits there is dispute about which music played. There is a found effect of a phaser rifle being thrown in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and one of Spock’s lines in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” There may be others as well, maybe some musical cues were messed with and they added some ship engine noise for the DVD release. Anywhere, I have the set and enjoy it, but there are purists who would love to have the original “night of broadcast” audio and that doesn’t truly seem what was provided. I will end my Trek discussion on this Star Wars thread so as not to run afoul of the moderators. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion if you feel the urge.

I most certainly will.