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Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

JEDIT: From what I’ve seen, Rian doesn’t seem like he has a hateful bone in his body. He’s so genuine and nice!

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DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

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snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

oh yeah, by 2 country miles. TPM stands between those two. TLJ too, depending on my mood.

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snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

I don’t like TFA and even I paused for a second at that.

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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

(caveat - have not read the tweet)

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Jay said:

snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

I don’t like TFA and even I paused for a second at that.

Again, there’s plenty of these kinds of hot takes right here. Check out the ranking thread some time.

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Collipso said:

snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

oh yeah, by 2 country miles. TPM stands between those two. TLJ too, depending on my mood.

what the fuck

Huh!?

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TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

I’d appreciate a more detailed analysis of how my criticism of liberals in general is comparable to the allegations leveled against the gaming community in GamerGate.

(caveat - have not read the tweet)

People should just start including this in their signature.

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Jay said:

snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

I don’t like TFA and even I paused for a second at that.

Again, there’s plenty of these kinds of hot takes right here. Check out the ranking thread some time.

It’s an opinion. I paused, then went about my business. More people should do the same.

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Collipso said:

not a hot take pal

Putting the PT above any post-PT movie is indeed a hot take, but even if that’s debatable, putting AOTC above any post-PT movie is a red-hot take.

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Collipso said:

not a hot take pal

Perhaps not, depending on ones definition of a hot take, but it is certainly a very unpopular opinion at the very least.

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Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

I’d appreciate a more detailed analysis of how my criticism of liberals in general is comparable to the allegations leveled against the gaming community in GamerGate.

That seems like a detailed waste of time.

It’s an opinion. I paused, then went about my business. More people should do the same.

“More people should do the same” is also an opinion.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

I’d appreciate a more detailed analysis of how my criticism of liberals in general is comparable to the allegations leveled against the gaming community in GamerGate.

That seems like a detailed waste of time.

If not for me, at least flesh out your point so everyone else understands why the situations are comparable.

It’s an opinion. I paused, then went about my business. More people should do the same.

“More people should do the same” is also an opinion.

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And with that, please keep it on topic, everyone. As Frink mentioned, there’s already a ranking thread packed with bunched panties if you’d like to take it there.

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what’s the definition of a hot take? i consider a hot take to be an emotional response to something, often an opinion that wasn’t well thought out.

so no, not a hot take. and i didn’t even say TFA was worse than AotC, simply that i like it a lot less.

edit: sorry, didn’t see the post above.

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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

The original story that compelled me to kick this thread off was the treatment of Kelly Marie Tran , and lets not hurl insults at people such as “duh” and "panties in a bunch " aye ? seems unbecoming of a moderator imho. And speaking of making money from the whole affair , go to youtube , type in star wars and set the filter to today , on any given day and you can see it’s both sides of the fence . I also have a youtube channel but it is not monetized , nor is my star wars art

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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screams in the void said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

The original story that compelled me to kick this thread off was the treatment of Kelly Marie Tran , and lets not hurl insults at people such as “duh” and "panties in a bunch " aye ? seems unbecoming of a moderator imho. And speaking of making money from the whole affair , go to youtube , type in star wars and set the filter to today , on any given day and you can see it’s both sides of the fence . I also have a youtube channel but it is not monetized , nor is my star wars art

Most YouTubers make next to nothing. Even the more popular ones barely make a living from it, and that’s until they get demonitized for offending the wrong person. Only the highest view counts make real money.

I’m referring to people like Sarkeesian using crowdfunding to fleece people while providing shoddy content in return (almost $160K for the Tropes vs Women documentary that misrepresented games and gamers, $25K to start a free Discord server, another $10K to do a video conference with a high school class about feminism, etc.).

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screams in the void said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

The original story that compelled me to kick this thread off was the treatment of Kelly Marie Tran , and lets not hurl insults at people such as “duh” and "panties in a bunch " aye ? seems unbecoming of a moderator imho.

Agreed.

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Jay said:

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

I’m sure they’ll call it StarGate.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Jay said:

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

I’m sure they’ll call it StarGate.

God damn it. How did I miss that?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Jay said:

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

I’m sure they’ll call it StarGate.

10/10

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Jay said:
I think he’s subtly trolling. He’s too clever to come at people directly.

The Lucasfilm employee who posted a selfie while drinking from a mug that says “fanboy tears” on it is trolling, though.

Except that Andi wasn’t trolling anything. It was a picture that was posted just after TFA was released, now the anti-TLJ/ Disney brigade got hold of it, erased the date on the original tweet and claimed it was a recent pic of her trolling the anti-TLJ crowd. The fanboy tears thing was all about the death of Han Solo, nothing more.

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adywan said:

Jay said:
I think he’s subtly trolling. He’s too clever to come at people directly.

The Lucasfilm employee who posted a selfie while drinking from a mug that says “fanboy tears” on it is trolling, though.

Except that Andi wasn’t trolling anything. It was a picture that was posted just after TFA was released, now the anti-TLJ/ Disney brigade got hold of it, erased the date on the original tweet and claimed it was a recent pic of her trolling the anti-TLJ crowd. The fanboy tears thing was all about the death of Han Solo, nothing more.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhzY5gFVQAEiRHx.jpg

She created it for TFA and happily tweeted it again when the TLJ criticisms started.

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SilverWook said:

Sounds like a great way to get fired. Unless Lucasfilm and Disney just don’t care at this point? The closest Lucas ever got to trolling was wearing that Han Shot First t-shirt on set of Crystal Skull. Nice way to make a buck off a phrase unhappy fans coined.

The GOUT was the sickest troll move of all time. It belongs in the Guinness World Records of trolling.