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Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

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It’s hard to tell given his near universal unwillingness to actually put his opinions forward in this thread. I have to make educated guesses and since he has an obvious pro-Trump bias, I didn’t take that observation as though it was a criticism.

Jay has put his opinions out there front and center. And I see no pro-Trump bias.

I don’t understand how you couldn’t see it. The refusal to acknowledge most of the President’s faults is a pro-Trump bias in my opinion.

As Jay suggested it’s tedious and unnecessary to constantly criticise Trump. I call that preservation of sanity, not bias.

Jay doesn’t like what the Obama Administration did under Title IX and so he liked the reversal of the policy under Trump. It doesn’t follow that he has a pro-Trump bias or that he doesn’t believe there are better alternative policies.

how does Jay feel about tuesdays?

Based on his lack of commentary we must assume he hates them

I always knew Collipso hates Tuesdays.

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Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s hard to tell given his near universal unwillingness to actually put his opinions forward in this thread. I have to make educated guesses and since he has an obvious pro-Trump bias, I didn’t take that observation as though it was a criticism.

Jay has put his opinions out there front and center. And I see no pro-Trump bias.

I don’t understand how you couldn’t see it. The refusal to acknowledge most of the President’s faults is a pro-Trump bias in my opinion.

As Jay suggested it’s tedious and unnecessary to constantly criticise Trump. I call that preservation of sanity, not bias.

That’s Trump apologia. This man is the powerful person on the planet. Constantly talking about him, whether it’s criticism or not, is totally reasonable. How is it unnecessary to criticize the bad decisions made by the President? It’s not like we’re constantly talking about Alex Jones or Roy Moore or someone comparatively irrelevant.

Jay doesn’t like what the Obama Administration did under Title IX and so he liked the reversal of the policy under Trump. It doesn’t follow that he has a pro-Trump bias or that he doesn’t believe there are better alternative policies.

It’s not just that that makes him have a pro-Trump bias. I came to that conclusion because he has redirected every single criticism of Trump that I and others have brought up either to a previous administration or to something else. For example, the terrible environmental policy of Trump gets redirected to how Obama had a legacy of executive orders so now it’s getting reversed. Trump demanding a safe space in the theatre for Mike Pence gets redirected to some vague and mysterious and irrelevant-to-this-example “hypocrisy” on the left. Trump’s refusal to disavow white supremacists gets redirected to Obama supposedly not disavowing black supremacists. The fascist and inhumane immigration policies of Trump get watered down and dishonestly redirected to Obama and previously existing policy even though it’s been pointed out to him many times that Trump’s family separation policy isn’t a carry-over from previous administrations. The list goes on and on. You not seeing the pro-Trump, pro-rightwing bias is due to your inability to perceive it, not to it being nonexistent.

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Strangely enough, I’ve been finding myself agreeing with Jay a lot in this thread, but I don’t remember him deflecting all criticisms of Trump.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s hard to tell given his near universal unwillingness to actually put his opinions forward in this thread. I have to make educated guesses and since he has an obvious pro-Trump bias, I didn’t take that observation as though it was a criticism.

Jay has put his opinions out there front and center. And I see no pro-Trump bias.

I don’t understand how you couldn’t see it. The refusal to acknowledge most of the President’s faults is a pro-Trump bias in my opinion.

As Jay suggested it’s tedious and unnecessary to constantly criticise Trump. I call that preservation of sanity, not bias.

That’s Trump apologia.

That’s wrong.

This man is the powerful person on the planet. Constantly talking about him, whether it’s criticism or not, is totally reasonable. How is it unnecessary to criticize the bad decisions made by the President? It’s not like we’re constantly talking about Alex Jones or Roy Moore or someone comparatively irrelevant.

That’s a powerful rationalization for an unhealthy obsession with Trump. Obviously, obviously, I’m not saying Trump shouldn’t be criticized. Go ahead, criticize the bad decisions. Others will see decisions that they think are good and will say so. Doesn’t mean they love Trump or that they think the decision is optimal. But your argument is that Jay had to say something bad about Trump and/or offer a comprehensive breakdown of his view of how college sexual assaults should be handled. That’s where your argument goes off the rails.

Jay doesn’t like what the Obama Administration did under Title IX and so he liked the reversal of the policy under Trump. It doesn’t follow that he has a pro-Trump bias or that he doesn’t believe there are better alternative policies.

It’s not just that that makes him have a pro-Trump bias. I came to that conclusion because he has redirected every single criticism of Trump that I and others have brought up either to a previous administration or to something else. For example, the terrible environmental policy of Trump gets redirected to how Obama had a legacy of executive orders so now it’s getting reversed. Trump demanding a safe space in the theatre for Mike Pence gets redirected to some vague and mysterious and irrelevant-to-this-example “hypocrisy” on the left. Trump’s refusal to disavow white supremacists gets redirected to Obama supposedly not disavowing black supremacists. The fascist and inhumane immigration policies of Trump get watered down and dishonestly redirected to Obama and previously existing policy even though it’s been pointed out to him many times that Trump’s family separation policy isn’t a carry-over from previous administrations. The list goes on and on. You not seeing the pro-Trump, pro-rightwing bias is due to your inability to perceive it, not to it being nonexistent.

Jay has pointed out inconsistent and overblown criticisms. He doesn’t share your obsession with Trump. He’s taking the “We Didn’t Start the Fire” view instead of the Trump is the be-all-and-end-all view.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Lol calling it an unhealthy obsession with Trump. Talk about a Trump apologist…

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That’s exactly the kind of shit I’m talking about. He’s the fucking President of the United States. Accusing me, or anyone, of being obsessed with him because we comment on news stories regarding him is fucking ridiculous. How about this: “You’re just obsessed with mankind because you’re always talking about people!” See how ridiculous that is? Why the fuck is it an obsession to frequently talk about the President of the United States in the politics thread? How much am I allowed to criticize one of the most important people on earth right now before it’s an “unhealthy obsession”? The rest of your post was total gibberish to my eyes so I can’t respond to it. I have no idea what you’re getting at by claiming my argument is that Jay needs to break down his views on the handling of sexual assault cases. That wasn’t my argument at all. In fact, that summary of my argument is so off-base that I’m not even sure if you read my post. I have no clue what you’re talking about so I can’t give any kind of response to the rest of your post. I would if I knew what you were talking about but, like many of your posts, I simply don’t understand what you’re saying so I can’t address it. Anyway, your accusation of me having a Trump obsession is absurd. I guess from now on in this thread I’ll just discuss more relevant people like the mayor of Oklahoma City or the county judge in Helena, Montana.

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I always knew you were obsessed with that county judge.

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mfm, somehow you’re arguing against what I didn’t post.

This didn’t start because you criticized Trump. This started with your accusation that Jay supports Trump and/or is unclear for not saying bad things about Trump when discussing a policy choice.

I emphasized that obviously I’m not saying you shouldn’t criticize Trump. Do it to your heart’s content. But don’t demand others do so or insist they’re pro-Trump if they don’t. That is what we’re talking about.

The idea that every discussion of current policy boils down to being pro-Trump or anti-Trump is the obsession I’m addressing.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

The idea that every discussion of current policy boils down to being pro-Trump or anti-Trump is the obsession I’m addressing.

So that’s what you got out of this?

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TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

The idea that every discussion of current policy boils down to being pro-Trump or anti-Trump is the obsession I’m addressing.

So that’s what you got out of this?

Often.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

mfm, somehow you’re arguing against what I didn’t post.

Forgive me for not understanding the most incomprehensible person in this thread.

This didn’t start because you criticized Trump. This started with your accusation that Jay supports Trump and/or is unclear for not saying bad things about Trump when discussing a policy choice.

That isn’t why I said that. I said he is obviously pro-Trump to an extent because he deflects criticism of Trump to other people that are often irrelevant to the criticism almost all the time. I gave you many examples of how this is the case but you ignored all of them, which is a trend I’m seeing a lot in this thread.

I emphasized that obviously I’m not saying you shouldn’t criticize Trump. Do it to your heart’s content. But don’t demand others do so or insist they’re pro-Trump if they don’t. That is what we’re talking about.

You’re obviously saying that too much or too harsh of criticism of Trump is somehow objectionable. I had a similar argument with Warbler when he was more concerned about the feelings of Catholics than the protests against Pope John Paul II over his role in the child-rape scandals in the Roman Catholic Church. He felt that too harsh or too mean of a criticism of that man for allowing priests to rape children repeatedly was inappropriate because it would offend Catholics. I didn’t call him a Pope John Paul II supporter but I think I did call him a Pope John Paul II apologist or something. There’s a difference between the two. I didn’t say Jay was a Trump supporter or even that he was pro-Trump. I said he had an obvious pro-Trump bias, and he does. I have an anti-Trump bias, but I don’t pretend otherwise.

The idea that every discussion of current policy boils down to being pro-Trump or anti-Trump is the obsession I’m addressing.

I never said that. The point I was addressing was that redirecting every bad thing Trump does to someone else is a form of Trump apologetics. It really shouldn’t even be controversial. A lot of liberals did it with Obama. Whenever he’d do something totally illiberal there was always an excuse for it from center-right Democrats pretending to be liberals. Now it’s happening with Trump.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

mfm, somehow you’re arguing against what I didn’t post.

Forgive me for not understanding the most incomprehensible person in this thread.

I’m only being defensive because I was afraid Jay was going to take my title. Now I can rest easy.

As for the rest of your post, clearly you have a different reading of Jay’s posts than I or Handman have.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Apparently so. Maybe it’s just because I’m evil and lack empathy, but I don’t even understand your reading of those posts.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Apparently so. Maybe it’s just because I’m evil and lack empathy, but I don’t even understand your reading of those posts.

I don’t believe that you’re evil/lack empathy, only that you test others. As for Jay’s posts, or my own, if you don’t read so much into them and make assumptions they’re easier to understand.

I’m always happy to explain my reasoning or clarify.

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I’m taking a few classes over the summer, and one of them is this required communications course. Today, the teacher mentioned how a misogynist disagreed with a feminist’s position to “kill all men”. And yet… I feel like any rational human being would disagree with that.

Needless to say, I find it very difficult to take this teacher seriously.

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Handman said:

I’m taking a few classes over the summer, and one of them is this required communications course. Today, the teacher mentioned how a misogynist disagreed with a feminist’s position to “kill all men”. And yet… I feel like any rational human being would disagree with that.

Needless to say, I find it very difficult to take this teacher seriously.

Shouldn’t this have gone in your other thread?

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I debated it.

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Handman said:

I’m taking a few classes over the summer, and one of them is this required communications course. Today, the teacher mentioned how a misogynist disagreed with a feminist’s position to “kill all men”. And yet… I feel like any rational human being would disagree with that.

Needless to say, I find it very difficult to take this teacher seriously.

Did anybody point that out?

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Handman said:

I’m taking a few classes over the summer, and one of them is this required communications course. Today, the teacher mentioned how a misogynist disagreed with a feminist’s position to “kill all men”. And yet… I feel like any rational human being would disagree with that.

Needless to say, I find it very difficult to take this teacher seriously.

Did anybody point that out?

I feel like there’s a lot of context missing here…

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dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

I’m taking a few classes over the summer, and one of them is this required communications course. Today, the teacher mentioned how a misogynist disagreed with a feminist’s position to “kill all men”. And yet… I feel like any rational human being would disagree with that.

Needless to say, I find it very difficult to take this teacher seriously.

Did anybody point that out?

I feel like there’s a lot of context missing here…

What context do you need? I don’t think anyone wanted a heated debate in a dumbass class.

The teacher often goes out of her way to say that everyone has different ideas, but a second later had no qualms saying “Everybody loves Christmas”. She asked what everyone wanted for Christmas, and I was very tempted to tell her I was Jewish. Like, she wasn’t thinking when she said it, and meant no harm, but it was still dumb and hypocritical.

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Handman said:

I debated it.

And yet you decided to post it here, so may I ask what is supposed to go there and what is supposed to go here?

Do you know?

I don’t.

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I wanted to keep the racist/misogynist/SJW/feminist shit out of it, mostly because Jay pulled the racism card when I mentioned Trump. Basically, identity politics, I guess.

I created that thread for random observations that weren’t really meant to go into long tangents or debates, that weren’t really related to anything discussed here. DuracellEnergizer used it perfectly with the Canadian flag thing.

Basically, I had a kind of shocked realization about how popular Trump was here, and I felt it didn’t really fit in this thread.

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So light and fun politics? Ok. Probably should clarify that in your thread so we all know.