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Hello Guys,

I am new to the world of Star Wars. I was obviously aware of the franchise and of the controversy sorrounding the SE changes. I started directly with Harmy’s Despecialized Editions and the movies are brilliant! Now, my question: have all the changes made by George been eliminated? Because I read there are new versions coming out made by Harmy and I wonder why? Or is he using other elements that need no upscaling? Will the upcoming Version differ in term of content or “only” by the elements used for the reconstruction (and delivering the movies in 1080p)? Hope I can find help.
Thank you all and especially to Harmy!

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Rebel1990 said:

Hello Guys,

I am new to the world of Star Wars. I was obviously aware of the franchise and of the controversy sorrounding the SE changes. I started directly with Harmy’s Despecialized Editions and the movies are brilliant! Now, my question: have all the changes made by George been eliminated? Because I read there are new versions coming out made by Harmy and I wonder why? Or is he using other elements that need no upscaling? Will the upcoming Version differ in term of content or “only” by the elements used for the reconstruction (and delivering the movies in 1080p)? Hope I can find help.
Thank you all and especially to Harmy!

As you guessed, it’s about improving the quality of the sources.

There are some very, very minor changes that are found from time to time, and those will be fixed. Not the kind of thing anyone would normally notice. You’ll see some recent chatter in a few threads here about a shot during the Battle of Yavin that people spotted was bright/over exposed in the original, and not in any release or restoration after that (until now).

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I’m happy Harmy is working on 3.0 of despecialized, because even though there will be a 4k77 dnr version, it will never be as clean as despecialzed is, because the 4k77 teams goals are different and they are more interested in preserving the theatrical print, whereas i believe Harmy is going for a more modern and clean looking preservation of the movies, so i think both Despecialized and 4k77 both have there place.

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Harmy said:

Well, if they’re so similar I can’t tell the difference, then they might stay provided the quality actually is better.

To be honest, if all the SE had been was a digital recompositing of the original FX shots (which I’ve heard was the original intent before George got carried away), I don’t think we’d be having this conversation.

If Disney put such a product out and claimed it was the theatrical edition, I would have no qualms about it.

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How would recompositing the shots digitally using the same choreography negate any of the work he did? The work they show in the video–i.e., him tracing out the ships’ paths on the transparencies–would still be the work that resulted in the final choreography. Recompositing simply reduces grain levels and matte lines, making his work available in a higher-quality image.

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Simple - his main job was to figure out in what order to put the elements through the optical printer to make the shot work and to make sure all the masks aligned properly, which was a near impossible task in those days and he still managed it. In digital compositing, the same task is laughably easy in comparison. It’s like tearing down the pyramids and rebuilding them using modern cranes and diggers and stuff and saying that they’re the same thing, because they look almost the same only more polished.

Plus optical compositing has a very specific visual aestetic to it, which is lost when the elements are recomped digitally.

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Harmy said:

Simple - his main job was to figure out in what order to put the elements through the optical printer to make the shot work and to make sure all the masks aligned properly, which was a near impossible task in those days and he still managed it. In digital compositing, the same task is laughably easy in comparison. It’s like tearing down the pyramids and rebuilding them using modern cranes and diggers and stuff and saying that they’re the same thing, because they look almost the same only more polished.

Plus optical compositing has a very specific visual aestetic to it, which is lost when the elements are recomped digitally.

Out of interest what did you think of the way they went about recompositing Blade Runner for the Final Cut?

I am proud to say I remember the 80’s!

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-1-TPM-game-sounds-files/id/15201/page/1

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Well, it’s my least favorite version to watch. I have no principial problem with the recompositing there, since it’s not claiming to be a theatrical version but the problem is it wasn’t done very well in some places - the very first shot, while much less grainy than the other versions, shows very clear signs of badly digitally composited smoke for example.

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Harmy said:

  • the very first shot, while much less grainy than the other versions, shows very clear signs of badly digitally composited smoke for example.

Was that an original smoke element not very well digitally re-composited, or a newly created cg element?

I would agree its my least favourite version of the DC, but mainly due to the green CC.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-1-TPM-game-sounds-files/id/15201/page/1

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Of all restorations, I think Star Trek, The Next Generation has got to be, without a question, the best recompositing job.

They took the original 35mm elements which were originally composited in video and redid everything in high def and with modern techniques.

A shame that they were missing elements for certain shots and were obliged to turn to CG recreations, but I don’t think anyone can say they look WORSE than the original video masters.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Agreed. I watched it on Netflix and none of the effects ever felt out of place. The situation here is, of course, quite different, since the TNG vfx shots never existed as anything else than SD video, just like the rest of the assembled show, so they received the same treatment as the non-vfx shots by being upgraded to HD and the original shots are preserved in the best quality they ever existed in on DVD.

The situation is quite different for TOS though, where the VFX shots were composited optically on film before being telecined for broadcasting and the new CGI shots in the remastered versions look terribly out of place, so I find the version with the original VFX much more pleasant to watch. But, luckily, on BD you can choose which version to watch, so no problem there either.

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If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

Harmy - a quick question - so are the TNG episodes available on Netflix in whole Europe? Do they contain the fixed versions? http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/netflix-brings-vfx-fixes-to-star-trek-tng-in-hd/2/ I’ve been searching for the fixed episodes for years, so if they are indeed there maybe I can finally have a reason to get Netflix myself.
And by the way, not ALL of the effects were done on video. Only Dan Curry’s team apparently shot effects on video at 30fps, Rob Legato’s team and definitely ILM were shooting them on classic 35mm film.

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They were shot on 35mm but as far as I know, those elements were then composited in video, which is why they had to, and could, be recomposited digitally for the HD version. I bet the elements shot directly to video were the ones that had to be recreated with CGI.
As to whether TNG is available on Netflix in Slovakia, I have no idea, though I don’t see why it wouldn’t be, if it’s available here in the Czech Republic. And if the article says that the fixes were done specifically for Netflix, I’m sure that’s what you’d get.

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If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

Harmy - a quick question - so are the TNG episodes available on Netflix in whole Europe? Do they contain the fixed versions? http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/netflix-brings-vfx-fixes-to-star-trek-tng-in-hd/2/ I’ve been searching for the fixed episodes for years, so if they are indeed there maybe I can finally have a reason to get Netflix myself.
And by the way, not ALL of the effects were done on video. Only Dan Curry’s team apparently shot effects on video at 30fps, Rob Legato’s team and definitely ILM were shooting them on classic 35mm film.

Well, on the making of documentary for the TOS blurays, they’re definitely handling negatives. Beyond that, I have no idea why there are tiny differences between the two.

For TNG, the only effects that were “video” were the early CGI and phaser shots (maybe others as well). But Dan Curry definitely shot on film but at 30 fps which caused some issues for the remaster since everything was done at 24 fps instead of 30 fps of the video masters. You do see some weird artifacts, but unless you’re really staring at it, it’s fine.

And the reason for recreated shots of the ship were because they would often be missing an element like a light pass or a matte pass and it would have been too difficult to recreate the missing pass in CG so the entire shot would be replaced instead.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Wait a minute… Star Trek TNG’s film source was at 30 fps? For the whole series?

Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…

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There are many scenes with models which move “strangely” in the Blu-ray version, and all of them are in episodes done by Curry’s team, a 30fps -> 24fps conversion is a good explanation for the strange movement. But he certainly used words like “video tape” and “video camera” in some of the documentaries.

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I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

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Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

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Yeah, correct. It’s around 1:56:06. Is there a possobility to upload pictures around here?

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Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

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Rebel1990 said:

Yeah, correct. It’s around 1:56:06. Is there a possobility to upload pictures around here?

Handman said:

Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

yes. upload the picture somewhere and do this:

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