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moviefreakedmind
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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8-Jul-2018, 9:54 PM

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

While there’s more to quality of life than just environmental threats and humans are still better off today than at any other point in history,

Do we have to make this pointless statement every single time we criticize Trump?

Do we need to pointlessly mention how terrible things are the world over every single time we criticize Trump?

I’m criticizing him and others over how they are failing to address what I think is making the world terrible for many of its inhabitants. Stop misrepresenting me. I’ve never posted in this thread and just said, “The world is terrible” and not backed up my statement with examples and evidence that I think supports my claim.

P.S. - Things aren’t terrible.

Are you ever going to bother to address any of the things that I’ve brought up to support my claim? You, more than anyone else in this thread, have consistently refused to have any kind of discussion. I don’t understand how you can claim that others in here are being unproductive when it’s you that says your opinion and refuses to actually defend it or provide any kind of rationale for why you think everyone in here is wrong. You ignore all of my points almost every time. And you do this to everyone else too.

I agree climate change is probably the most pressing issue for us as a species and it’s unfortunate that bad politics could end up wrecking the planet.

Unfortunate? It’s not just politicians. It’s primarily to blame on a willfully ignorant population that votes for people like Trump. Even Hillary, although she would’ve been better, was still incredibly weak on environmentalism. There’s also a lot of corporate propaganda in conservative-leaning media that spread outright lies about climate change. I’ve noticed lately that they’re back to spreading the lie that climate change is a total myth. I think it should be illegal to publish fraudulent studies about climate change, kind of like how it’s illegal for tobacco companies to publish fraudulent studies that cigarettes won’t destroy your lungs.

Most voters don’t vote based on a single issue and are primarily concerned with immediate results over future consequences, and I think the economy, immigration, and anti-PC culture took precedence over climate change in the last election for Trump voters (at least some of whom were Obama voters previously).

The immigration issue is something that ignorant people, willfully or otherwise, are compelled by. Immigration isn’t a problem now. It wasn’t a problem then. Illegal immigration is going down. Obama deported more people than his predecessors. It’s a manufactured issue. And Trump is about as PC as you can get. He and his people have their own version of political correctness. Look at their responses to Hamilton’s cast criticizing Pence (Trump even demanded that the theater be a safe space), Samantha Bee’s comment, Kathy Griffin’s stunt, and Michelle Wolfe’s stand-up and tell me I’m wrong.

Democrats lost because they had a mediocre platform and the wrong candidate. They need to come out with a rock star in 2020, but with the party going hard left on immigration and pretending that most Americans don’t want secure borders, they’re setting themselves up for another loss.

You actually are right that they had a mediocre platform and the wrong candidate. They tried to have a center-right, status quo platform. They aren’t pretending anything about immigration and borders. I don’t know what Steven Crowder and Candace Owens are saying these days since I don’t follow people like them anymore, but there are no major Democrats that don’t believe in secure borders. It amuses me that you claim that people like me are getting their information from insane fake news media when it’s very, very obvious that your views on the world are coming from right-wing outlets. Hillary Clinton’s platform was for secure borders and extreme vetting for people traveling here from the muslim world. Trump’s platform was ban muslims and build a wall. The side that is pretending that Americans want insane immigration policies is the right wing.