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Post #1223785

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DrDre
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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7-Jul-2018, 1:42 PM

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

No one hated Anakin taking about sand or turning to the dark side because of the logic of them.

Really? Padme saying she loved Anakin wasn’t believable, because it didn’t make much logical sense considering Anakin’s creepy behaviour and his other actions the story. The lack of logic obviously stems from the fact, that such a course of events would not make sense in a romance in the real world. This has been stated over, and over again in critical arguments about the romance in the PT, so your argument, that no one disliked the PT, because of lack of logic and consistency seems faulty to me. The same goes for Anakin, who almost instanteneously goes from conflicted Jedi to murdering psychopath. This also doesn’t make logical sense to many people, and has also been analyzed and discussed endlessly.

You’re attributing the logic to other issues. The problem with Anakin and Padme’s romance isn’t real world logic. The problem is a lot of other things. Cringey dialogue. Wooden acting. Inconsistent character motivations. Complete lack of chemistry. Anakin’s total lack of charm and altogether creepyness. Poorly structured sequences. Unearned emotional moments.

Anakin turning on a dime isn’t bad real world logic. It’s a problem of believability of the profession of his character arc. The film paints a poor and contradictory portrait of his head space throughout, and takes a narrative short cut in terms of his motivations (which is especially problematic as he is the main character). None of this has anything to do with real world logic, just pure storytelling mechanics.

Storytelling mechanics and real world logic are intimately connected, as we use our real world experience as the benchmark for what does, and doesn’t make sense in a story. Stories can take liberties for dramatic purposes, but in a general sense, a story should make sense internally and usually to a large extend externally as well. If a character witholds vital information from another character, and the audience, this should make sense in the story. The character should have the proper motivations throughout the story arc. In TLJ Holdo’s initial motivation appears to be teaching Poe a lesson, and putting him in his place. However, this lesson also results in a mutiny, and ends up putting the Resistance in even greater danger. Holdo keeps witholding information even when it is obviously no longer in her best interests, and those of the people she is responsible for. She keeps silent when Poe forces her out of her position, apparently for no other reason than to have a story twist later in the story involving Leia. In your words Holdo’s character motivations are inconsistent. As a leader she should protect the interests of the Resistance (and herself), but she doesn’t, because apparently RJ already told her how the mutiny would play out. From an in-story perspective Holdo shouldn’t know this, and Poe’s mutiny could result in the destruction of the entire Resistance. The fact that she passively accepts this without informing Poe of the reality of the situation just doesn’t make logical and story sense.