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chyron8472
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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6-Jul-2018, 3:06 PM

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

How is that question supposed to be any clearer?

Is it not?

I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.

There aren’t minorities in Europe who suffer(ed) remotely similarly in comparison to what American minorities did/do?

I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it.

And your example was… European conquest. Right? I don’t see how that helps to illustrate that point at all.

Conquest here. Conquest there. I don’t feel personal guilt for past European whites affecting American conquest against the minority already living here at the time.

The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful.

Woah, woah, woah. Who said it won’t?

I did. I said it won’t.

The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it.

What happened here was genocide, plain and simple

I don’t disagree with that.

and Native Americans are still being affected by it today.

And financially compensating their society in perpetuity is helpful to that society in the long term?

A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.

You’re saying the Nazis exterminating Jewish European citizens is the same as European colonists wholesale deciding they want more land and so took it brutally by force from the native people living here? The Nazis didn’t expand across Europe to specifically take land from the Jews. They exterminated the Jews because they wanted to, not because the Jews were unfortunate enough to be in their way when they wanted something. There was racism involved in both, sure, but the motivation is different and there were other factors involved. It’s not the same thing.