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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watch a video? Nah.

As I have repeated and never gotten an answer for: what is your problem with videos?

Yes you have gotten an answer for it, multiple times. chyron basically got it though, I’m not spending a bunch of time watching a video when I could read the exact same information in a minute or two.

Also I’m at work.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

I’m sorry, but I agree with mfm here. I don’t have the time, and I really am not interested in being required to invest half and hour each to such videos.

Fine, but then don’t make your mind up about the guy without watching what he has to say.

Additionally, if you don’t have a weapon, you shouldn’t be at risk of being shot. Period. Supreme Court ruling or no.

Police are not clairvoyant. Sometimes you don’t know whether a person is armed until the afterwards. As I said they ruling states that police can shoot if they believe the suspect poses an imminent danger to people around the suspect.

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watch a video? Nah.

As I have repeated and never gotten an answer for: what is your problem with videos?

Yes you have gotten an answer for it, multiple times. chyron basically got it though, I’m not spending a bunch of time watching a video when I could read the exact same information in a minute or two.

Do what you wish, but don’t make judgments about the guy without hearing what he has to say as MFM did.

Also I’m at work.

watch it later when you are home.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

More surprises!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/02/nyc-private-school-end-racial-segregation-policy-homerooms/

wtf? How was this allowed in the 21st century? I thought Brown v. Board of Education made this unconstitutional? Why would the school even try it in 2018? What f___ made them think it was a good idea in this day and age???

It’s for a similar reason that we racially gerrymander congressional districts. It is supposed to be empowering.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

More surprises!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/02/nyc-private-school-end-racial-segregation-policy-homerooms/

wtf? How was this allowed in the 21st century? I thought Brown v. Board of Education made this unconstitutional? Why would the school even try it in 2018? What f___ made them think it was a good idea in this day and age???

It’s for a similar reason that we racially gerrymander congressional districts. It is supposed to be empowering.

How are segregated homerooms supposed to be empowering?

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

More surprises!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/02/nyc-private-school-end-racial-segregation-policy-homerooms/

wtf? How was this allowed in the 21st century? I thought Brown v. Board of Education made this unconstitutional? Why would the school even try it in 2018? What f___ made them think it was a good idea in this day and age???

It’s for a similar reason that we racially gerrymander congressional districts. It is supposed to be empowering.

How are segregated homerooms supposed to be empowering?

How are racially gerrymandered congressional districts supposed to be empowering?

Gerrymandering should be outlawed. The whole country should have bipartisan commissions on how the lines are drawn. Be they at the state level or whatever, giving redistricting power solely to the party that happens to be in power at the time of the census is not an ethical practice nor in the country’s best interest.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

Certainly not shoot him because I’m not a fucking monster, and I don’t want to live in a world where cops can just execute people in the street for any reason.

EDIT: “I don’t have enough details to understand this situation, I guess I’ll murder this guy just to be safe” is not an acceptable solution.

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

I’m sorry, but I agree with mfm here. I don’t have the time, and I really am not interested in being required to invest half and hour each to such videos.

Fine, but then don’t make your mind up about the guy without watching what he has to say.

Who has time to sit down and watch an hours worth of shitty content just so they can argue with someone else online?

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

Certainly not shoot him because I’m not a fucking monster, and I don’t want to live in a world where cops can just execute people in the street for any reason.

Maybe Warbler thinks we should let a cop shoot a kid when he answers the door because the kid is holding a Wii Remote and the cop didn’t have enough reaction time to determine it wasn’t.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watch a video? Nah.

As I have repeated and never gotten an answer for: what is your problem with videos?

Yes you have gotten an answer for it, multiple times. chyron basically got it though, I’m not spending a bunch of time watching a video when I could read the exact same information in a minute or two.

Do what you wish, but don’t make judgments about the guy without hearing what he has to say as MFM did.

I didn’t.

Also I’m at work.

watch it later when you are home.

No.

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

I’m sorry, but I agree with mfm here. I don’t have the time, and I really am not interested in being required to invest half and hour each to such videos.

Fine, but then don’t make your mind up about the guy without watching what he has to say.

Who has time to sit down and watch an hours worth of shitty content just so they can argue with someone else online?

Warbler?

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chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

Certainly not shoot him because I’m not a fucking monster, and I don’t want to live in a world where cops can just execute people in the street for any reason.

Maybe Warbler thinks we should let a cop shoot a kid when he answers the door because the kid is holding a Wii Remote and the cop didn’t have enough reaction time to determine it wasn’t.

That is quite different from situation I described.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watch a video? Nah.

As I have repeated and never gotten an answer for: what is your problem with videos?

Yes you have gotten an answer for it, multiple times. chyron basically got it though, I’m not spending a bunch of time watching a video when I could read the exact same information in a minute or two.

Do what you wish, but don’t make judgments about the guy without hearing what he has to say as MFM did.

I didn’t.

Also I’m at work.

watch it later when you are home.

No.

ok

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TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

I’m sorry, but I agree with mfm here. I don’t have the time, and I really am not interested in being required to invest half and hour each to such videos.

Fine, but then don’t make your mind up about the guy without watching what he has to say.

Who has time to sit down and watch an hours worth of shitty content just so they can argue with someone else online?

Warbler?

It wasn’t hours of content. Each video was about a half hour. I did not find the content s_____. I thought it was interesting.

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We both agree that my opinion on the matter was my opinion on the matter. Not sure what the problem is.

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chyron8472 said:

Jay said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

I don’t know that your second question makes too much sense. It’s sort of like asking whether I am a Constitutional absolutist. That Amendment states:

Let try to re-word it. You said you were not a “states rights absolutist”. Are situations where you are not absolutist in that regard, situations where we either

  1. are dealing with a power delegated to Feds by the Constitution

and/or

  1. are dealing with a power prohibited to the states by the Constitution

When you say you are not a “states rights absolutist”, you mean that you are not pro-states-rights in situations where the Constitution is not pro-states-rights, correct?

When I say I am not a “states rights absolutist” I mean the states don’t always win. Health insurance was an example.

It does not mean I think the federal government should exercise its authority to the maximum extent under the Constitution. There are areas where the federal government can act under the Constitution but I think should exercise restraint and instead respect state laws (eg marijuana).

How about medical marijuana?

Nothing in the Constitution says I can’t smoke pot, medicinal or otherwise. If the mistake (conspiracy?) of the Drug War is undone, states would have to decide what to do about drug use – and what they should decide (but they won’t because $$$) is to stay the hell out of everyone’s lives.

Laws surrounding cultivating marijuana, brewing alcohol, or producing any other substance are all governmental overreach.

There are enforcement problems with leaving certain things like that up to the states. If one state says you can’t produce or distribute pot, and the neighboring state says you can, people who live near enough to the neighbor will just go over there, purchase it, and bring it back. It’s a major reason why using Chicago as a proof that gun control doesn’t work is flawed. People can still go to the suburbs to buy them and it really isn’t that inconvenient to do so.

Having certain things handled at the federal level solves issues with enforcing laws that cross state lines.

My point is that growing and smoking pot aren’t prohibited by the Constitution and neither state nor federal laws have any business regulating it. If a state regulates marijuana, it’s the federal government’s job to step in and overrule the state’s violation of the Constitution. Everything with pot is backwards, though, because of its ridiculous classification as a Schedule 1 substance under federal guidelines.

It’s a state’s job to determine what works for its own population at a local level and the federal government’s job to make sure you aren’t terrorized by your own state. The truth is that many people, evil and well-meaning alike, enjoy forcing others to do as they’d do rather than minding their own damn business.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

More surprises!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/02/nyc-private-school-end-racial-segregation-policy-homerooms/

wtf? How was this allowed in the 21st century? I thought Brown v. Board of Education made this unconstitutional? Why would the school even try it in 2018? What f___ made them think it was a good idea in this day and age???

It’s for a similar reason that we racially gerrymander congressional districts. It is supposed to be empowering.

How are segregated homerooms supposed to be empowering?

How are racially gerrymandered congressional districts supposed to be empowering?

I agree, good question.

Gerrymandering should be outlawed. The whole country should have bipartisan commissions on how the lines are drawn. Be they at the state level or whatever, giving redistricting power solely to the party that happens to be in power at the time of the census is not an ethical practice nor in the country’s best interest.

No objection here.