All Things Star Trek — Page 177

SilverWook said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t recall Kirk and the Gorn captain actually fist fighting, and that’s my personal favorite episode.

Handman said:

If you’re going to compare Arena to a sleazy catfight that looks straight out of a direct-to-video shitfest, I’m not really sure what to say.

I do. You’re wrong. That’s what I say.

Judo chop, yes. Fists? No. Fist fights usually involve a punch to the face?

Semantics. It’s a dinosaur. It’s the slowest dinosaur ever, and it’s using its hands, not its teeth. It does use it’s teeth eventually, but long after establishing it’s absolutely, unbelievably, unrealistically horrible at unarmed melee combat.

SilverWook said:

Most dinosaurs don’t command starships, or make knives out of obsidian. And it was freaking cold on the planetoid.
😉

And I’d like to see Kirk throw a boulder like that.

My point is people paint other Trek series with different paintbrush. People don’t like them because they’ve decided not to, not because they suck. TOS is not objectively superior—people just have nostalgia for it because some of the episodes spoke to civil rights issues happening back in the day.

You can like it or don’t, but Enterprise doesn’t suck just because it can’t live up to some unreachable nostalgic standard TOS sets.

There was no provoking.

Handman said:

What about where he said I was objectively wrong and proceeded to tell me why I like the things I do? I don’t need anyone telling me why I think the way I do while they prop themselves up on faulty logic and off-base reasoning.

I didn’t perceive any of that. I really didn’t, I’m just being honest with y’all.

Handman said:

What about where he said I was objectively wrong and proceeded to tell me why I like the things I do? I don’t need anyone telling me why I think the way I do while they prop themselves up on faulty logic and off-base reasoning.

I didn’t say it was objective. I just said I say you’re wrong. And it was in jest. You said you don’t know what to say and so I said I did. No personal offense was intended and I apologize if it was received that way.

You can like what you like and that’s fine. I just say that I’m of the opinion that many people’s hate for Enterprise, DS9, or Voyager is largely unfair or based on nostalgic bias. Certainly there are bad episodes, but TOS and TNG are not exempt from that criticism either. Voyager and Enterprise having a similar premise to TNG doesn’t make them bad. I put them in the category of “if it ain’t broke…”

More of the same isn’t a bad thing if what is the same is what was good about the prior content. I mean, if people’s primary complaint about them is that they’re too much like TNG, and I loved TNG, then I don’t see the problem. Further, no one is leveling that complaint against The Orville when its similarity to TNG is deliberate.

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

That’s ridiculous. Only people who are Trek veterans are allowed to work on Trek? Come on.

Not necessarily, but the production crew working on Discovery don’t seem to care much about making it feel remotely like the franchise it belongs to. Hiring people already familiar with the franchise has the potential at least to help in that regard. Granted, at this point, when I see some news article about Picard maybe having a role in Discovery I just sigh and move on because the series is already pretty much DOA as far as being a quality Prime Universe Star Trek series.

DominicCobb said:

pittrek said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

That’s ridiculous. Only people who are Trek veterans are allowed to work on Trek? Come on.

Well having SOME people who understand Star Trek on board would be nice

You don’t have to be a veteran to “get” Star Trek.

Also, I don’t think the show’s main issue is “not getting Star Trek.”

What would you say the main issue is?