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it does actually cus you play more games against teams in your division. so if you have a shity division and your good. then all the games you play against teams in your division are easy wins.

here is how it works. a team will play 6 games with teams in their divisions. four with teams in their conference but not in their division. 2 vs teams that a geographically close to them but are not in there conference. and 1 vs teams that are on the other side of the contients so the furthest geographic distance.

eg. for vancouver
6 games vs colorado
4 games vs detroit
2 games vs tornato
1 games vs Tampa bay.

understand.
therefore depending on which division or conference you are in you could have more easy wins then teams in a stronger division. every single team in the northwest division can beat elite teams. cant say the same for the central. the southeast division which tampa is in has the worst teams in the league.

in regards to the comment on salary detroit is lucky that they have good D and good goaltending. NY always had one or 2 great Defencemen and 4-5 horrible ones. in net they never had any tallent. so they could nto support the offence with defence. you can't score when your in your own zone all the time.
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Translation? I'm just not getting all of this...

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i am not haveing any trouble with it re-read it.
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I reread it, but I don't think that the Wings are as weak as you'd suggest.
GO WINGS!!!

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i dont think they are weak either, actually i feel they are one of the top 3 teams in the NHL, all i am saying is that just because they had 8 more pts then the nucks to finish the season doesnt mean that they are the greatest team ever.
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Of course, we all know that postseason isn't exaclty an accurate measurement of how good a team is, either.

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actually is it. in my opinion. the the pressure is on and team go head to head for more the one game.
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I respectfully beg to differ; a lot more pressure is placed on players in the playoffs, which definitely has an effect on postseason play. The only way to get an accurate measure of how good a team is would be to set up a control test; no Cup on the line, no bearing on season statistics. Each team plays every other team for a 3 game series; the most consistent winner (since the playing field would be as level as possible) would be the best team. Physically impossible, since the season has been stretched beyond all reason to accomodate the expansion teams, but it would settle this once and for all.

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those are good points but i feel that the real worth of a player is determine on how he playes when there is pressure. look at all of the great players in history, all of them had to be great under pressure. look at marti turco he is an amazing goalie, but he is not that recognzied because he has yet to show that he can play under pressure, same goes for dan cloutier.
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But you have no control scenario to judge from. My experiment would create that.

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what do you mean no control senerio. how would you have that.

also lets just not argue about it cus there is no way that you could actually see what team is better. players could have bad days, players could be injured. there could be lucky bounces off the boards./ so man intangables so that what ever case you mde it would nto work cus there would be too much of an error.
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By creating a control environment, i.e. the format I suggested, you could contrast this with how they play under different levels of pressure and thereby get a more balanced picture of what the better team is.

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you can never creat a controlled system with a hockey game. ther are too many intangables. an injury or a funny bounce.
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Not a perfect control, no, but you can create an environment where stress is minimised, whic is as clos as you can get.

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ya but you forget the some of the best players play there best game when the stress is on. when there is stress, there is emotion, and emotion is what creates great games and spectaular plays. Emotion is what is entertaining on the ice it is why i love hockey and why the game is played that the level it is.
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i dont care shimmy... no matter how you put it, the wings still ended as number one, and in-conference cross-division does not make a big difference as cross-conference would do...
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it really does make a difference when you got divsions like the North west and north east. every single team in thous divisions is very good. and are good enough to win other divsions. i am not saying that detroit is a bad team, what i am saying is that the standings are decptive, and teams are not as good as one things just because they are seated in a certain position. look at edmonton. i my opinion edomonton was the best team in the league at the end of the season but they wernt in the playoffs, why cus they dug themselfves a hole at the begining of the year, and were not able to get out because their divsion was so tough.same goes for bufflo, did you know that ever team in the norht east division could have been in the playoffs and every teams except for one could have made the playoffs from the northwest divsion. so looking at the north east divsion, teams there played at least 24 games against teasm that either were in the playoffs or missed the playoffs by one or two points. then you look at the south east divion. tampa was th only team that made th playoffs there, the rest were not even close. that means that tampa played at least 24 games against teams that didnt make the playoffs. that is 24 easy games in for one team, and 24 very hard games for another team. since tampa was first lets say they won all of there games that is 48 pts. and for the otehr teams lets say there were even that is 24 pts, as difference of 24 pts. go look at the standings and youll see how much 24 pts matters. in the vancouver detoirt case i think it would probably would have made around 7-8 pts difference. 7-8 pts would have tied vancouver with detroit with the league lead. now that stat about the 7-8 pts doesnt really matter, but what i am trying to do it to put it in prospective for you.
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if the better teams are where you say they are, then why did the devils win so many stanley cups in the past few years?
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Shimmy will find a way to tell you it's stacked; it's called the persistence of refuted beliefs.

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its called permanent insanity in shimmy's case.
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
if the better teams are where you say they are, then why did the devils win so many stanley cups in the past few years?


three reasons: and any and all professional hockey analysis will agree with me. I garentee it.

1. brodeur ( at around the age of 32 he is already approching the records set by many of the greatest goalies of all time. he is by far the best goalie in the game right now and he has many years left.)
2. great defence, players like sccot stevens. ( watch with out him the devils wll not got past the first round.)
3. this is the big one because of the TRAP. the devils are the opifany of a trap team, they so good at seting the trap they are like predetor when hunting people. the clog up the neutral zone like there is no tommorow. they clutch and grab and hook and abstruct like mad.

trap + big D + best goalie in the game = 3 cups in the last nine years.

trap is the same method that the wild used to beat colorado, and vacouver last year.

P.S. did you know that brodeur and cloutier are the only NHL goalies to have 3 concecutive 30 win seasons, in the mordern era.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Shimmy will find a way to tell you it's stacked; it's called the persistence of refuted beliefs.


when have i ever said anything is stacked. i mearly point out the facts, if say it is stacked then that is your own conclusion when looking at the facts that i present.
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NHL goalies to have 3 concecutive 30 win seasons, in the mordern era.


what is a 30 win season? a season where they win 30 games? hmm...

modern era? what is that?
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30 win series you should know what that means.

modern era is like the last 30 - 40 years in the NHL, the rules are so different between now and then that they set modern era records as well as NHL historic records, E.G back in the 1920s and 30s ther NHL season was like 20 - 30 games long. now it is over a hundred.
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I wouldn't expect you to understand the persistence of refuted beliefs, Shimmy; you're just a child.

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