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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Five seconds spent staring at someone is an eternity if they know you’re looking. I don’t know what else to say.

Everyone gets that, but I don’t like making a rule out of it.

No one made a rule about it. I’m not sure why you keep saying this.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Yeah, Trump does not care about this. He’ll offer some unsolicited prayer and then do nothing.

An unsolicited prayer? He doesn’t say anything unless it’s an immigrant or a non-white.

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I would definitely consider anyone who stares at someone for more than five seconds to be “socially inept.”

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When I was first dating my now wife, we used to go to something called a mall to people watch. We’d sit up on the upper level and watch people down below to see what they were doing, what stores they stopped at, the weird things they were wearing, etc. It was a nice way to spend no money while having some fun conversation and learning about each other.

I think it’s hilarious that anyone would equate this with staring at the secretary all day.

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TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Five seconds spent staring at someone is an eternity if they know you’re looking. I don’t know what else to say.

Everyone gets that, but I don’t like making a rule out of it.

No one made a rule about it. I’m not sure why you keep saying this.

It’s on the table. And you seem totally in favor of such policing of people’s behavior. I’m also opposed to the whole concept of this. Corporate suits telling people how to act makes me uncomfortable. And since we’re all supposed to care about uncomfortable everyone is…

DominicCobb said:

I would definitely consider anyone who stares at someone for more than five seconds to be “socially inept.”

#metoo

Socially inept people aren’t going anywhere, though. Another problem is that sometimes you can be looking at something else and someone might just think you’re looking at them. There are so many obvious ways that this line of thinking lacks nuance and is unfair.

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I guess my question is ‘who decides what staring at someone is?’ Could someone conceivably get in trouble for staring at something behind someone else? What if someone’s just staring into space, but someone else thinks they’re being stared at?

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TV’s Frink said:

When I was first dating my now wife, we used to go to something called a mall to people watch. We’d sit up on the upper level and watch people down below to see what they were doing, what stores they stopped at, the weird things they were wearing, etc. It was a nice way to spend no money while having some fun conversation and learning about each other.

I think it’s hilarious that anyone would equate this with staring at the secretary all day.

It’s not much different if you really think about the concepts. Both are incredibly weird and “creepy” if you want to misuse that word. Either way you’re looking at some innocent person who is minding his own business. It’s just that in one situation you’re on the upper level looking down and mocking the clothes of people on the lower level and in the other you’re in a corporate shithole looking at a poor secretary that wished she’d chosen a less demeaning career. In reality, however, it’s actually true that watching people can be creepy, and other times it isn’t creepy. What if you just looked at the secretary for five seconds, and not all day? What about six? What about 4.99 seconds? What if you looked at her for five seconds with a normal expression on your face while someone else looked at her for three and a half seconds with a really threatening look on his face? How about everyone minds their own damn business while simultaneously not freaking the fuck out when some person looks at them? How about that?

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Jeebus said:

I guess my question is ‘who decides what staring at someone is?’ Could someone conceivably get in trouble for staring at something behind someone else? What if someone’s just staring into space, but someone else thinks they’re being stared at?

That’s exactly what I was thinking. I don’t like giving people more reasons to play the victim.

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i feel bad if i stare at someone for more than 3ish second, if i don’t have a more intimate relationship to the person. it is pretty creepy for the person on the receiving side.

to stare at someone you’re not intimate with (not necessarily someone you’re in a relationship with, friends and family members too) for more than 3 seconds is at least weird.

take one’s secretary for example. theoretically the professional relationship is the biggest part of the someone’s relationship with their secretary, which is definitely not intimate enough for one to stare at that person for 5 seconds. and the secretary is theoretically the coworker one’s the closest with, so this definitely applies to the rest of one’s coworkers.

but the quintessential example is someone staring at someone in the bus/train/whatever. pretty weird.

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TV’s Frink said:

When I was first dating my now wife, we used to go to something called a mall to people watch. We’d sit up on the upper level and watch people down below to see what they were doing, what stores they stopped at, the weird things they were wearing, etc. It was a nice way to spend no money while having some fun conversation and learning about each other.

I think it’s hilarious that anyone would equate this with staring at the secretary all day.

Yep. And even though I enjoy people watching as much as the next guy, it’s not exactly polite behavior to begin with.

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Jeebus said:

I guess my question is ‘who decides what staring at someone is?’ Could someone conceivably get in trouble for staring at something behind someone else? What if someone’s just staring into space, but someone else thinks they’re being stared at?

As with most rules I’m sure it’s more like a guideline. And also I’m not sure this is even a rule that actually exists in reality?

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Collipso said:

i feel bad if i stare at someone for more than 3ish second, if i don’t have a more intimate relationship to the person. it is pretty creepy for the person on the receiving side.

to stare at someone you’re not intimate with (not necessarily someone you’re in a relationship with, friends and family members too) for more than 3 seconds is at least weird.

take one’s secretary for example. theoretically the professional relationship is the biggest part of the someone’s relationship with their secretary, which is definitely not intimate enough for one to stare at that person for 5 seconds. and the secretary is theoretically the coworker one’s the closest with, so this definitely applies to the rest of one’s coworkers.

but the quintessential example is someone staring at someone in the bus/train/whatever. pretty weird.

I agree with all of this. My problem is that anyone that stares at an innocent person for prolonged periods of time are beyond saving. There’s no help for them. I don’t think we should start restricting ourselves based on those people’s defects.

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moviefreakedmind said:

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Five seconds spent staring at someone is an eternity if they know you’re looking. I don’t know what else to say.

Everyone gets that, but I don’t like making a rule out of it. Especially since the worst it can do is make someone a bit uncomfortable. What about autistic people and people with social disorders? It can be hard for them to know what makes people uncomfortable. Aren’t we supposed to be accommodating? Maybe I’m just bitter, because I actually was harassed once, and guess what? No one cared. So fuck all these people and their arbitrary rules that won’t help anything.

I can’t speak for other autistic people, but for me at least the issue is making eye contact, rather than about keeping it for too long. It’s harder to read body language, but not impossible. Even then, I do what I can to be conscious about how my actions may be perceived. My disability is not an excuse to be socially inept.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I agree with all of this. My problem is that anyone that stares at an innocent person for prolonged periods of time are beyond saving. There’s no help for them. I don’t think we should start restricting ourselves based on those people’s defects.

Harsh.

The blue elephant in the room.

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flametitan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Five seconds spent staring at someone is an eternity if they know you’re looking. I don’t know what else to say.

Everyone gets that, but I don’t like making a rule out of it. Especially since the worst it can do is make someone a bit uncomfortable. What about autistic people and people with social disorders? It can be hard for them to know what makes people uncomfortable. Aren’t we supposed to be accommodating? Maybe I’m just bitter, because I actually was harassed once, and guess what? No one cared. So fuck all these people and their arbitrary rules that won’t help anything.

I can’t speak for other autistic people, but for me at least the issue is making eye contact, rather than about keeping it for too long. It’s harder to read body language, but not impossible. Even then, I do what I can to be conscious about how my actions may be perceived. My disability is not an excuse to be socially inept.

Well, staring doesn’t necessarily mean eye contact.

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Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I agree with all of this. My problem is that anyone that stares at an innocent person for prolonged periods of time are beyond saving. There’s no help for them. I don’t think we should start restricting ourselves based on those people’s defects.

Harsh.

It’s no more harsh then what anyone here is saying about people that stare. They’re the ones saying they’re creepy as fuck and are harassing people.

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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

When I was first dating my now wife, we used to go to something called a mall to people watch. We’d sit up on the upper level and watch people down below to see what they were doing, what stores they stopped at, the weird things they were wearing, etc. It was a nice way to spend no money while having some fun conversation and learning about each other.

I think it’s hilarious that anyone would equate this with staring at the secretary all day.

It’s not much different if you really think about the concepts. Both are incredibly weird and “creepy” if you want to misuse that word. Either way you’re looking at some innocent person who is minding his own business. It’s just that in one situation you’re on the upper level looking down and mocking the clothes of people on the lower level and in the other you’re in a corporate shithole looking at a poor secretary that wished she’d chosen a less demeaning career. In reality, however, it’s actually true that watching people can be creepy, and other times it isn’t creepy. What if you just looked at the secretary for five seconds, and not all day? What about six? What about 4.99 seconds? What if you looked at her for five seconds with a normal expression on your face while someone else looked at her for three and a half seconds with a really threatening look on his face? How about everyone minds their own damn business while simultaneously not freaking the fuck out when some person looks at them? How about that?

This is ridiculous.

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Jeebus said:

I guess my question is ‘who decides what staring at someone is?’ Could someone conceivably get in trouble for staring at something behind someone else? What if someone’s just staring into space, but someone else thinks they’re being stared at?

Come on.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

I guess my question is ‘who decides what staring at someone is?’ Could someone conceivably get in trouble for staring at something behind someone else? What if someone’s just staring into space, but someone else thinks they’re being stared at?

Come on.

Ever smile at someone because you think they’re smiling at you, but they’re actually smiling at someone else? Same with waving.

Attempting to set guidelines for looking at people is beyond stupid. I can’t believe this is where we are as a society. Of course, it’s mostly in America/Canada. Check out the interviews of foreigners on YouTube who are asked about misogyny, racism, political correctness, etc. They think we’ve lost our minds.

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man, staring at someone and looking at the direction someone’s in is very clearly and very noticeably different.

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Collipso said:

man, staring at someone and looking at the direction someone’s in is very clearly and very noticeably different.

How would you quantify that legally?

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Collipso said:

man, staring at someone and looking at the direction someone’s in is very clearly and very noticeably different.

Looking in someone’s direction: < 5s

Staring: >= 5s

I never knew human behavior was so neat and tidy. Guess we can shut down all those worthless psychology departments and professional therapists and replace them with corporate HR guidelines.

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