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RicOlie_2
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Religion
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23-Jun-2018, 1:53 AM

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”
-John Henry Cardinal Newman

Somehow I doubt that.

Historically speaking, the Church has always been pretty Catholic, and the Protestant Reformation was revisionist, not based on any solid historical grounds. Sola scriptura is an entirely Protestant invention, for instance, and has no basis in either history or Scripture. There is no historical justification for much Protestant doctrine.

Scripture existed before the Pope. When someone asks you for proof of the Pope’s authority, what do you do? You show him scripture.

My beliefs aren’t based on historical justification, they are based on faith.

Most of Scripture (the Old Testament) existed before the first pope, but the entire New Testament was written during or after the life of the first pope, St. Peter. Other books of the New Testament were written during or after the reigns of Pope St. Linus, Pope St. Anacletus, and Pope St. Clement I. (As a side note: the Scriptural argument for papal authority doesn’t come entirely from the fact that it’s Scripture. It also comes from the fact that Christ himself said that Peter would be the rock upon which the Church would be built. Meaning that the institution of the papacy occurred before Jesus’ ascension.)

More importantly, however, the canon of Scripture wasn’t defined until the 300s in the Councils of Hippo and Carthage. The Catholic Church determined which books are in your Bible. So if you reject the authority of the Catholic Church, you are basically saying that there is no basis for you having the Bible that you do. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says what books should be in it. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says that the Bible is the only source of authority. Your faith is based on the authority of the Bible, which can only be justified if you accept the authority of the Catholic Church at the time the canon of the Bible was established.