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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.

I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?

That would be unfortunate. mfm should seek help, but he’s said repeatedly he won’t seek any form of treatment.

I’d like him to stop referencing the meaninglessness of life as if it’s a supporting argument. I’d also like him to stop mapping his feelings about life and death onto everyone else (“Why would anyone want to live longer?”). Whether he really wants to die or not, almost everyone else doesn’t. I won’t indulge that. Suicide has affected me personally several times. I can assure you I take it seriously.

I don’t like being referred to as though I’m not present. If you find me so objectionable then tell me, don’t talk to other people about me like I’m an animal or child.

He was responding to Frink. When person X talks to person Y about person Z and person Y responds to person X, person Y is normally going to refer to person Z in the third person.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

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Just for the sake of having this clear?

What do you guys think are the pros and cons of loose immigration? I mean what’s the main thing we’re fixing/wrecking with this?

K. Let’s have this ride.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

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I don’t know what that means.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know what that means.

Since people talk about illegal immigration a lot, that means it’s definitely a big problem.

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Trident said:

Just for the sake of having this clear?

What do you guys think are the pros and cons of loose immigration? I mean what’s the main thing we’re fixing/wrecking with this?

What does that have to do with our personal qualities, partisan leanings and whether we think Trump is the devil?

The blue elephant in the room.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more clear: I am not going to argue this with you.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Borders aren’t real.

Countries have borders. Deal with it.

If you owned a house, I am sure you would think you had the right to say who could and could step on your property. Property lines are just as real as borders.

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more: I am not going to argue this with you.

You’re going to call me drunk for saying something perfectly reasonable and then refuse to explain yourself? I’m glad to see you haven’t changed. Why even post in this thread if you’re incapable of having an argument on something?

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue.

By building a wall costing zillions and bsing about how he’s going to get Mexico to pay for it?

Apparently that is part of his chosen approach.

Do you agree with me that the idea is totally insane?

  1. It would cost waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy too much.
  2. It would take years to get all the property needed(no doubt they would need to acquire a whole lot of what is currently private property.
  3. It would take years and years before the thing is finally finished and during that time we would still have an immigration problem.
  4. It would take a huge amount money to pay for all the man power to guard the way and make sure people didn’t try to climb over it.
  5. What is to stop people from tunneling under it?
  6. There is no way in hell Mexico is going to pay for it.
  7. This is America, not Berlin.

Am I wrong in any of this?

Agree very costly and lots of practical issues with it, as you list. If built, despite those issues, I can imagine it would have a major impact on illegal immigration but I don’t know. It’s not a plan I think is wise given the cost, practical issues, and uncertainty of success.

The blue elephant in the room.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more: I am not going to argue this with you.

You’re going to call me drunk for saying something perfectly reasonable and then refuse to explain yourself?

fixed and yep.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I’m glad to see you haven’t changed.

I don’t think I needed to change.

Why even post in this thread if you’re incapable of having an argument on something?

unwilling is different than incapable.

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I love how after multiple requests from multiple different people for someone to explain why illegal immigration is a problem, there’s been no response other than what boils down to “because it is one.”

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more: I am not going to argue this with you.

You’re going to call me drunk for saying something perfectly reasonable and then refuse to explain yourself?

fixed and yep.

What an embarrassment. Why even bother posting? You’re just wasting everyone’s time.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/21/theres-no-immigration-crisis-and-these-charts-prove-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1e4e01522ed0

Here’s some good information that I’m sure Warbler won’t care about. But if anyone is interested in a starting point for how the illegal immigration “crisis” is blown out of proportion, here’s a couple articles.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I love how after multiple requests from multiple different people for someone to explain why illegal immigration is a problem, there’s been no response other than what boils down to “because it is one.”

You’re drunk. Don’t ask me to explain myself because I won’t even though I could if I wanted to.

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