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Pointing out that someone is using a word incorrectly is not speech policing.
The Person in Question
Laugh more, you’ll live longer.
Why would anyone want to live longer?
This is why I don’t take you or your posts seriously.
I’m sure I’ll lose plenty of sleep over that. For what it’s worth, the reason no one here takes your posts seriously is because you’re unwilling to admit what you actually believe.
Ask me any question about any issue you’d like and I’ll tell you what I believe. Go ahead. List 10 issues — healthcare, abortion, guns, immigration, net neutrality, whatever — and you’ll find I do indeed lean left on some and right on others.
EDIT: Also, it’s kind of interesting that you shrug off people that want to die as not being worthy of getting taken seriously. What does that have to do with my statements on other things?
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
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I lean right on some issues and left on others. Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.
And yet you use “liberal” as akin to an epithet. Not hard to see why people call bullshit, since the only people who do that are on the right (ie. also not the center).
JEDIT: For the record, I am not a liberal. But I really hate it that Rush, Hannity, Fox and whoever the hell else on the right does that.
Any inference on your part regarding “liberal” being an epithet is just that: an inference.
When I criticize liberals, I call them liberals. When I criticize conservatives, I call them conservatives. What would you have me call them? Progressives? Pick whatever term makes you happy.
The fact that the term “liberal” is sensitive goes to show how ridiculous speech policing has gotten.
Maybe you should take our feedback? I agree with chyron’s post
Pointing out that someone is using a word incorrectly is not speech policing.
Again I ask: what word would you like me to use?
MTFBWY…A
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
Why do people think that my outlook is for the amusement or annoyance of others? Read my posts in this thread, it’s obvious that I think quality of life is shit and most people are equally shit. I think everything is more or less a lost cause. You don’t know shit about me, and I don’t know what makes you an expert on what people who don’t think life is worth living like to do.
The Person in Question
I lean right on some issues and left on others. Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.
And yet you use “liberal” as akin to an epithet. Not hard to see why people call bullshit, since the only people who do that are on the right (ie. also not the center).
JEDIT: For the record, I am not a liberal. But I really hate it that Rush, Hannity, Fox and whoever the hell else on the right does that.
Any inference on your part regarding “liberal” being an epithet is just that: an inference.
No…:
Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.
You’re being snide. You lump “liberals” into this sort of camp of obviously stupid people who can’t weigh nuance.
So if I infer, you most definitely imply.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Here we go again.
JEDIT: Apologies if already posted.
Police murder people on a daily basis. Most Americans don’t care.
“People?”
What? Whenever I get outraged over police murder, I get a pretty tepid response from the people I’m talking to. If not tepid, then they’re actively defending the police.
Jay got my meaning and then cited some stuff to supposedly disprove it.
I lean right on some issues and left on others. Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.
And yet you use “liberal” as akin to an epithet. Not hard to see why people call bullshit, since the only people who do that are on the right (ie. also not the center).
JEDIT: For the record, I am not a liberal. But I really hate it that Rush, Hannity, Fox and whoever the hell else on the right does that.
Any inference on your part regarding “liberal” being an epithet is just that: an inference.
When I criticize liberals, I call them liberals. When I criticize conservatives, I call them conservatives. What would you have me call them? Progressives? Pick whatever term makes you happy.
The fact that the term “liberal” is sensitive goes to show how ridiculous speech policing has gotten.
Maybe you should take our feedback? I agree with chyron’s post
Pointing out that someone is using a word incorrectly is not speech policing.
Again I ask: what word would you like me to use?
I don’t really care about the word, it’s just obvious that you’re conflating the people you find objectionable with liberals as a whole, and that’s not accurate. There is no leftist “purity test” for example. The “liberals” in our government are pretty corporate and quite conservative for the most part.
The Person in Question
Here we go again.
JEDIT: Apologies if already posted.
Police murder people on a daily basis. Most Americans don’t care.
“People?”
What? Whenever I get outraged over police murder, I get a pretty tepid response from the people I’m talking to. If not tepid, then they’re actively defending the police.
Jay got my meaning and then cited some stuff to supposedly disprove it.
Oh. I think the racial bias in our “justice” system is more obvious in the amount of blacks and Mexicans that get thrown in prison for ridiculously long periods of time for typically bullshit reasons, which is arguably a worse punishment even than death. But yes, police murder a lot of people of all colors. Most Americans don’t care about any of them.
The Person in Question
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible.
Agreed.
People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
How do you know what people with suicidal ideation do or don’t spend their time on?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue.
By building a wall costing zillions and bsing about how he’s going to get Mexico to pay for it?
Apparently that is part of his chosen approach.
Do you agree with me that the idea is totally insane?
Am I wrong in any of this?
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
I think we should focus on addressing the overall problem because as it exists now millions of people are going to keep being hurt in ways large and small, even when you’re not seeing headlines.
I am not necessarily saying you are wrong, what I am saying that toddler crying for its Mommy, that matters. The overall problem matters too, but so does the toddler crying for its Mommy.
Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
Win. That’s all he’s ever cared about his whole life.
And $
$ = winning
To Trump, yes.
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?
That would be unfortunate. mfm should seek help, but he’s said repeatedly he won’t seek any form of treatment.
I’d like him to stop referencing the meaninglessness of life as if it’s a supporting argument. I’d also like him to stop mapping his feelings about life and death onto everyone else (“Why would anyone want to live longer?”). Whether he really wants to die or not, almost everyone else doesn’t. I won’t indulge that. Suicide has affected me personally several times. I can assure you I take it seriously.
MTFBWY…A
https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232
It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.
Jay, i can see some differences:
- as you like to remind us (and pretend you are the only one who realizes), Governing involves hard choices. Presidents can’t make everything ‘good’.
- It sure seems like Obama wasn’t in love with what he was doing. Trump on the other hand is.
do you see the difference?
The difference I see is that you view Obama as having made a difficult choice, and Trump as doing something he loves. This is absurd.
It is not all that absurd considering the things he has said.
You realize you can’t attack policy differences because there are none, so instead you attack the man based on your perceptions of him.
I don’t know about anyone else, but my perceptions of him are formed by what he has said and done.
Just call Trump “Hitler” already and spare us any illusion of there being a policy debate here.
I don’t call him Hitler, but I do call him a selfish jerk, a sexist, an egotist, a bully, a constant liar, probably a racist, need I go on?
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?
That would be unfortunate. mfm should seek help, but he’s said repeatedly he won’t seek any form of treatment.
I’d like him to stop referencing the meaninglessness of life as if it’s a supporting argument. I’d also like him to stop mapping his feelings about life and death onto everyone else (“Why would anyone want to live longer?”). Whether he really wants to die or not, almost everyone else doesn’t. I won’t indulge that. Suicide has affected me personally several times. I can assure you I take it seriously.
I don’t like being referred to as though I’m not present. If you find me so objectionable then tell me, don’t talk to other people about me like I’m an animal or child.
The Person in Question
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
The public perception is that crossing the border illegally is not as bad as a lot of other crimes. Keep in mind some are doing so to avoid persecution.
The question is whether it is practical and legal to keep families together when parents are prosecuted. Generally, as I wager you know, the answer is “no.”
The other question is whether or not all the parents we are prosecuting, should be prosecuted.
To address separation for violation of immigration laws, it appears that it does require a change in law and spending a lot more money. As Jay said a couple pages back, maybe Repubs should accept that as a cost of cutting down illegal immigration.
possibly true.
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.
I thought we had some sort of process in place for those requesting asylum? Did many people come here from communist countries and request asylum?
The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
You’re drunk.
The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
You’re drunk.
You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today? It’s a manufactured issue that the right-wing uses to rally its xenophobic base. The issue is how we deal with illegal immigration.
The Person in Question
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay.
As usual, I don’t get it.
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?
That would be unfortunate. mfm should seek help, but he’s said repeatedly he won’t seek any form of treatment.
I’d like him to stop referencing the meaninglessness of life as if it’s a supporting argument. I’d also like him to stop mapping his feelings about life and death onto everyone else (“Why would anyone want to live longer?”). Whether he really wants to die or not, almost everyone else doesn’t. I won’t indulge that. Suicide has affected me personally several times. I can assure you I take it seriously.
I don’t like being referred to as though I’m not present. If you find me so objectionable then tell me, don’t talk to other people about me like I’m an animal or child.
I was responding to Frink’s post, hence the third person reference. It wasn’t meant as an insult, but problems with perception vs. reality seems to be a recurring theme here.
I’m extending my previous decision not to respond to you regarding that single issue to all your posts from now on. I don’t believe you’re capable of rational discussion and won’t be drawn in further.
MTFBWY…A
The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
You’re drunk.
You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today? It’s a manufactured issue that the right-wing uses to rally its xenophobic base. The issue is how we deal with illegal immigration.
This is basically true. Illegal immigration certainly exists. But is it really a problem? (No)
I don’t take you seriously because I don’t believe you really want to die. People who think life isn’t worth living don’t spend their time debating topics that are largely about quality of life.
I find this post terribly irresponsible. What if you’re wrong?
That would be unfortunate. mfm should seek help, but he’s said repeatedly he won’t seek any form of treatment.
I’d like him to stop referencing the meaninglessness of life as if it’s a supporting argument. I’d also like him to stop mapping his feelings about life and death onto everyone else (“Why would anyone want to live longer?”). Whether he really wants to die or not, almost everyone else doesn’t. I won’t indulge that. Suicide has affected me personally several times. I can assure you I take it seriously.
I don’t like being referred to as though I’m not present. If you find me so objectionable then tell me, don’t talk to other people about me like I’m an animal or child.
I was responding to Frink’s post, hence the third person reference. It wasn’t meant as an insult, but problems with perception vs. reality seems to be a recurring theme here.
I’m extending my previous decision not to respond to you regarding that single issue to all your posts from now on. I don’t believe you’re capable of rational discussion and won’t be drawn in further.
You never really responded anyway. You’re unwilling to actually share what your real stance is. Reading your lies about not being a right-wing sympathizer isn’t really worth my time either.
The Person in Question
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay.
As usual, I don’t get it.
In reference to magic words.
Michael:
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!
Oscar:
I just wanted you to know that you can’t just say the word bankruptcy and expect anything to happen.
Michael:
I didn’t say it. I declared it.
