Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 771

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You think illegal immigration doesn’t exist or you’re not aware of why it’s problematic?

Yeah, that’s obviously what I said. (sarcasm). It isn’t the problem that right-wingers claim it to be and it never was. It’s not destroying the country. It’s not really hurting many people. We were already deporting a ton of illegal immigrants under Obama. Deporting illegals is a bipartisan cause in this country. The Republican notion of illegal immigrants coming in by the millions and voting illegally and taking jobs from citizens is an exaggerated myth.

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together

Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.

My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.

um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?

nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.

Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.

did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.

Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.

Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.

but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.

I’ve yet to hear what the solution is.

I don’t get why you can’t just bring yourself to admit that this is wrong. Why must there be a cut-and-dry obvious solution in order to cease doing something really horrible? Also, you should be glad that people want to immigrate to the US. Once people stop wanting to move here, that’s a sign that the United States is a shithole just like everywhere else.

Not a matter of me needing to adopt the moral preening that is so popular and prevalent. Day-in/day-out moral preening takes the place of reasoned debate and finding solutions.

It’s not nice to separate children from parents. It appears to be the necessary result of enforcing the laws currently on the books. Why do so many dodge addressing the problem of illegal immigration and the laws as they currently exist?

As I wrote earlier there are many hardships inflicted that don’t generate the kind of headlines that currently have many so worked up.

I think we should greatly increase legal immigration. If that means building a wall, fine. I’d like to see real opportunities given to the children and their parents, not emotionality over a temporary separation before being returned to their countries where most of us will never think about them again.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together

Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.

My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.

um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?

nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.

Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.

did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.

Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.

Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.

but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.

I’ve yet to hear what the solution is.

I don’t get why you can’t just bring yourself to admit that this is wrong. Why must there be a cut-and-dry obvious solution in order to cease doing something really horrible? Also, you should be glad that people want to immigrate to the US. Once people stop wanting to move here, that’s a sign that the United States is a shithole just like everywhere else.

Not a matter of me needing to adopt the moral preening that is so popular and prevalent. Day-in/day-out moral preening takes the place of reasoned debate and finding solutions.

You don’t every try to have reasoned debate or find solutions. I’ve never once encountered you making a post as part of any kind of debate.

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You think illegal immigration doesn’t exist or you’re not aware of why it’s problematic?

Yeah, that’s obviously what I said. (sarcasm). It isn’t the problem that right-wingers claim it to be and it never was. It’s not destroying the country. It’s not really hurting many people. We were already deporting a ton of illegal immigrants under Obama. Deporting illegals is a bipartisan cause in this country. The Republican notion of illegal immigrants coming in by the millions and voting illegally and taking jobs from citizens is an exaggerated myth.

I asked questions. You said illegal immigration has never been a problem. Now you’re saying it’s not a certain kind of problem. It’s clear to me you don’t know the various ways it is problematic. Some problems are greatly exaggerated.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:
Find better sources.

He should’ve just not cited anything, that’ve been really convincing.

Hahaha! Indeed. 😃

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together

Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.

My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.

um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?

nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.

Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.

did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.

Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.

Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.

but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.

I’ve yet to hear what the solution is.

I don’t get why you can’t just bring yourself to admit that this is wrong. Why must there be a cut-and-dry obvious solution in order to cease doing something really horrible? Also, you should be glad that people want to immigrate to the US. Once people stop wanting to move here, that’s a sign that the United States is a shithole just like everywhere else.

Not a matter of me needing to adopt the moral preening that is so popular and prevalent. Day-in/day-out moral preening takes the place of reasoned debate and finding solutions.

You don’t every try to have reasoned debate or find solutions. I’ve never once encountered you making a post as part of any kind of debate.

Ok then. I said I think we need to increase legal immigration. I said it’s not nice to separate families. You always seem to understand and reply to my posts without any problem but then complain to not understand any of it. Don’t know what to make of that anymore.

Granted I don’t make post after post about why Trump is so mean.

TV’s Frink said:

Here we go again.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/622174783/why-are-they-shooting-anger-grows-in-pittsburgh-over-police-killing-of-black-tee

JEDIT: Apologies if already posted.

Police murder people on a daily basis. Most Americans don’t care.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Here we go again.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/622174783/why-are-they-shooting-anger-grows-in-pittsburgh-over-police-killing-of-black-tee

JEDIT: Apologies if already posted.

Police murder people on a daily basis. Most Americans don’t care.

“People?”

What? Whenever I get outraged over police murder, I get a pretty tepid response from the people I’m talking to. If not tepid, then they’re actively defending the police.

Jay said:

I lean right on some issues and left on others. Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.

And yet you use “liberal” as akin to an epithet. Not hard to see why people call bullshit, since the only people who do that are on the right (ie. also not the center).

JEDIT: For the record, I am not a liberal. But I really hate it that Rush, Hannity, Fox and whoever the hell else on the right does that.

Jay said:

Laugh more, you’ll live longer.

Why would anyone want to live longer?

moviefreakedmind said:

Acting as though the left is some crazy extreme side of the spectrum because of a select few extremists is a very common trend among people that are sympathetic to the right but can’t bring themselves to admit that they lean right.

What do you think is accomplished by labeling all conservative views as “alt-right”? It’s the same approach.

I don’t know. I didn’t do that so I don’t know why you’d be asking me about that. I call conservative views “right-wing” because they are. I think it’s fair to lump Trump in with the alt-right given his alliance with many of its spokesmen during the election, like Alex Jones and Bannon.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

people that are sympathetic to the right but can’t bring themselves to admit that they lean right.

This reminds me of someone for some reason.

I lean right on some issues and left on others. Your inability to weigh nuance is unfortunate, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from modern liberals.

Lol. What nuance? Your version of nuance is to jump through time and redirect criticism toward Obama and the Democrats in order to ignore what’s happening now. Your opinions are obviously informed by rightwing online outlets. “Modern liberals” are not extreme in the United States. Extreme leftists aren’t even represented on the national level of our government. The closest we have is the likes of Sanders or Warren. And they’re nowhere near as extreme as I am. I actually am the big government leftist that you and the people you get your information from seem to think the entire left is composed of. Basing the entire left on the crazy protesters that disrupt right-wing events at colleges, but that you never see anywhere else, is just as bad as what you claim people like me do to the right.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Laugh more, you’ll live longer.

Why would anyone want to live longer?

This is why I don’t take you or your posts seriously.

I’m sure I’ll lose plenty of sleep over that. For what it’s worth, the reason no one here takes your posts seriously is because you’re unwilling to admit what you actually believe.

EDIT: Also, it’s kind of interesting that you shrug off people that want to die as not being worthy of getting taken seriously. What does that have to do with my statements on other things?

EDIT2: Not to mention, that’s another tactic I’ve noticed you use a lot. You just find some arbitrary reason to ignore people’s statements so that you don’t have to actually address them.

Jay said:
When I criticize conservatives . . .

Lol.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:
When I criticize conservatives . . .

Lol.

Yeah, when was the last time that happened?

 
Jay, you can’t just say the reason why you seem to lean right is because most people in here lean left. That’s like when O’Reilly on Fox News told Jon Stewart that Fox’s definition of being “fair and balanced” is that they “tell the other side of the story.” Having a balanced view doesn’t work that way.