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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
Win. That’s all he’s ever cared about his whole life.
And $
$ = winning
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Trump has certain goals, they haven’t really changed since his campaign.
- keep out foreigners
- tear down any climate regulation (jobs!)
- renegotiate any trade agreements (jobs!)
- tear apart the Iran nuclear deal
- tear apart obamacare
his tactic is being unpredictable.
None of these are his goals. They are (in his mind) ends to a means => winning.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
When was the last time you used the internet? :p
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https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232
It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.
Jay, i can see some differences:
- as you like to remind us (and pretend you are the only one who realizes), Governing involves hard choices. Presidents can’t make everything ‘good’.
- It sure seems like Obama wasn’t in love with what he was doing. Trump on the other hand is.
do you see the difference?
The difference I see is that you view Obama as having made a difficult choice, and Trump as doing something he loves. This is absurd.
You realize you can’t attack policy differences because there are none, so instead you attack the man based on your perceptions of him. Just call Trump “Hitler” already and spare us any illusion of there being a policy debate here.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
The question is whether it is practical and legal to keep families together when parents are prosecuted. Generally, as I wager you know, the answer is “no.”
To address separation for violation of immigration laws, it appears that it does require a change in law and spending a lot more money. As Jay said a couple pages back, maybe Repubs should accept that as a cost of cutting down illegal immigration.
The blue elephant in the room.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
When was the last time you used the internet? :p
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The blue elephant in the room.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
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It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.
Jay, i can see some differences:
- as you like to remind us (and pretend you are the only one who realizes), Governing involves hard choices. Presidents can’t make everything ‘good’.
- It sure seems like Obama wasn’t in love with what he was doing. Trump on the other hand is.
do you see the difference?
This is absurd.
not really
You realize you can’t attack policy differences because there are none,
haha, what? See my previous link about the myths.
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9 myths about Trumps zero tolerance policy - Michelle Martin Blog https://www.michellemartinauthor.com/1/post/2018/06/9-myths-about-trumps-zero-tolerance-policy.html
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.
The blue elephant in the room.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.
Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.
but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.
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Jordan Peterson admits he’s wrong (shocker!) and a protester gets a taste of her own debate tactics:
https://twitter.com/concretemilk/status/1009888618951925764
9 myths about Trumps zero tolerance policy - Michelle Martin Blog https://www.michellemartinauthor.com/1/post/2018/06/9-myths-about-trumps-zero-tolerance-policy.html
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A random blog post by a social worker? The first point she makes is already factually incorrect (the policy is not new, the “zero tolerance” enforcement is). I scanned the rest and can’t be bothered to refute each point. Find better sources.
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Jordan Peterson admits he’s wrong (shocker!) and a protester gets a taste of her own debate tactics:
https://twitter.com/concretemilk/status/1009888618951925764
9 myths about Trumps zero tolerance policy - Michelle Martin Blog https://www.michellemartinauthor.com/1/post/2018/06/9-myths-about-trumps-zero-tolerance-policy.html
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A random blog post by a social worker? The first point she makes is already factually incorrect (the policy is not new, the “zero tolerance” enforcement is). I scanned the rest and can’t be bothered to refute each point. Find better sources.
like twitter?
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The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
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Jay said:
Find better sources.
He should’ve just not cited anything, that’ve been really convincing.
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Jordan Peterson admits he’s wrong (shocker!) and a protester gets a taste of her own debate tactics:
https://twitter.com/concretemilk/status/1009888618951925764
9 myths about Trumps zero tolerance policy - Michelle Martin Blog https://www.michellemartinauthor.com/1/post/2018/06/9-myths-about-trumps-zero-tolerance-policy.html
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A random blog post by a social worker? The first point she makes is already factually incorrect (the policy is not new, the “zero tolerance” enforcement is). I scanned the rest and can’t be bothered to refute each point. Find better sources.
scan this (from https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery, linked in the article that you dismissed)
Accordingly, I direct each United States Attorney’s Office along the Southwest Borderto
the extent practicable, and in consultation with DHS- to adopt immediately a zero-tolerance
policy for all offenses referred for prosecution under section 1325(a). This zero-tolerance policy
shall supersede any existing policies. If adopting such a policy requires additional resources, each
office shall identify and request such additional resources.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay.
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so we can argue over the word policy again and again, but that doesn’t change the fact that there was a new edict on how to do things, and that new edict is causing an uproar.
Jay, why do you get hung up on whether or not this qualifies as “new policy”. is it because doing so makes you feel better about ignoring what is happening? if you can convince yourself that Obama and Clinton who you voted for were just as awful, then you don’t feel bad about your current apathy, or even disdain, towards the democratic party?
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.
Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.
but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.
I’ve yet to hear what the solution is.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Acting as though the left is some crazy extreme side of the spectrum because of a select few extremists is a very common trend among people that are sympathetic to the right but can’t bring themselves to admit that they lean right.
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people that are sympathetic to the right but can’t bring themselves to admit that they lean right.
This reminds me of someone for some reason.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
um… when did you last explain anything to a toddler?
nothing, nothing compares to the anguish a toddler feels when their mom is not with them. and i am just talking about a 1 hour trip to the grocery store. if a toddler had to leave home, sure that is sad, but if they are with their mom/dad? not anguish.
Whenever a person commits an offense resulting in separation from children that is very hard for the children. Typically the parents should have to answer for that.
did you know that the majority of these separations being complained about, are from those attempting to seek asylum? yeah, lets punish them for fleeing a shitty situation. get educated. to say what jay says, do some research it isn’t my job to do it for you.
Asylum isn’t a magic word that let’s people stay. Generally the people are coming here because their own countries are lousy. Doesn’t mean they have a right to enter.
Jay Harold Christ mrebo… of course it isn’t magic.
but locking up parents, and shipping off toddlers, when the parents came to SEEK ASSYLUM is fucking nuts, and this is why people are making noise about this (Not because they hate Trump, Jay). this is why people are starting to say that the USA might be committing human rights violations.
I’ve yet to hear what the solution is.
I don’t get why you can’t just bring yourself to admit that this is wrong. Why must there be a cut-and-dry obvious solution in order to cease doing something really horrible? Also, you should be glad that people want to immigrate to the US. Once people stop wanting to move here, that’s a sign that the United States is a shithole just like everywhere else.
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The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
You think illegal immigration doesn’t exist or you’re not aware of why it’s problematic?
The blue elephant in the room.
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The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.
You think illegal immigration doesn’t exist or you’re not aware of why it’s problematic?
I’m sure he knows it exists and that they’re all a bunch of raping murderists.