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I very rarely leave my house, but I’ve decided that if I ever find myself present at a performance of the National Anthem, I won’t stand.
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Well that was very obviously not what you said in the part I quoted, but ok.
You quoted it out of context. I brought up that example in response to someone saying that religion was a necessity for morality.
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I very rarely leave my house, but I’ve decided that if I ever find myself present at a performance of the National Anthem, I won’t stand.
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I don’t like the idea of standing to worship a flag, or worshipping a flag in general. I also am not a big fan of standing.
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I don’t think he’s saying that religion is the reason for crime, but rather giving an example of how atheism is not directly leading to the downfall of society.
(something about) “the more secular a US state, the less crime-ridden it is.”
That statement can be logically true whether or not the first thing causes the second. It doesn’t claim causality.
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I very rarely leave my house, but I’ve decided that if I ever find myself present at a performance of the National Anthem, I won’t stand.
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What would be the point?
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I don’t think he’s saying that religion is the reason for crime, but rather giving an example of how atheism is not directly leading to the downfall of society.
(something about) “the more secular a US state, the less crime-ridden it is.”
That statement can be logically true whether or not the first thing causes the second. It doesn’t claim causality.
Exactly.
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I very rarely leave my house, but I’ve decided that if I ever find myself present at a performance of the National Anthem, I won’t stand.
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What would be the point?
I don’t know, but it would surely have more of a point than to be outraged over people that you can’t actually interact with that are actually abstaining from standing for a respectable reason.
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https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232
It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.
Jay, i can see some differences:
- as you like to remind us (and pretend you are the only one who realizes), Governing involves hard choices. Presidents can’t make everything ‘good’.
- It sure seems like Obama wasn’t in love with what he was doing. Trump on the other hand is.
do you see the difference?
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So yesterday the “man in the oval office” decided he could do something after saying he couldn’t do something. Executive order: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/20/622095441/trump-executive-order-on-family-separation-what-it-does-and-doesnt-do
but despite that i am sure Trump and cronies will laud this as a good thing, and blame any resistance to it as more of what some admins around here call “Democrats’ intellectual dishonesty”, this is a bad thing.
Pennsylvania has had a family detention center for a long time, and it is a TERRIBLE thing. We have been trying to get it closed for years: http://paimmigrant.org/campaign-to-shut-down-berks/
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dahmage, you say that Obama wasn’t in love with enforcing immigration law but Trump is.
I think immigration law is good and necessary. It’s far from perfect but if we are going to enforce it in any meaningful way it is going to impose hardships on those seeking to enter. Even those who manage to stay live as second-class ‘citizens.’
The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.
Trump will eventually leave office. Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue. Is there a better way? What is it?
The blue elephant in the room.
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In other news, the Supreme Court today held that states can tax out-of-state online retailers.
The blue elephant in the room.
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dahmage, you say that Obama wasn’t in love with enforcing immigration law but Trump is.
not exactly, i said Obama wasn’t in love with the way he was enforcing immigration law (in this specific instance we are talking about family detention centers). Trump is in love with the way he is enforcing it.
both of them were engaged in bad policy (family detention in this specific instance), as Jay said, but they were NOT both equal because Obama didn’t love it, and Trump does. and Trump is doing it way more.
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Trump will eventually leave office. Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue. Is there a better way? What is it?
hah, really? The better way is what were were doing for the past several years before Sessions announced that they were going to separate families as a ‘deterrent’ (which past experience shows probably isn’t effective). Basically, use discretion and try not to separate families.
Look, laws exist and need to be followed, but there is ALWAYS discretion involved in how we enforce laws. and choosing to be a maximum power asshole about prosecution to the fullest extent of the law (And then throwing up your hands and saying ‘my hands are tied!’) isn’t the way to do anything.
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Trump will eventually leave office. Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue. Is there a better way? What is it?
hah, really? The better way is what were were doing for the past several years before Sessions announced that they were going to separate families as a ‘deterrent’ (which past experience shows probably isn’t effective). Basically, use discretion and try not to separate families.
Look, laws exist and need to be followed, but there is ALWAYS discretion involved in how we enforce laws. and choosing to be a maximum power asshole about prosecution to the fullest extent of the law (And then throwing up your hands and saying ‘my hands are tied!’) isn’t the way to do anything.
But the law does prevent keeping families together for a long period of time where adults are prosecuted. There is usually some discretion, and now Trump (the hateful tyrant) is exercising it to keep families together for some amount of time.
I think Sessions comments were dumb and as noted the law limits keeping families together no matter what he thinks of the deterrent effect.
It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together than on what will we do to address illegal immigration.
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9 myths about Trumps zero tolerance policy - Michelle Martin Blog https://www.michellemartinauthor.com/1/post/2018/06/9-myths-about-trumps-zero-tolerance-policy.html
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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
The blue elephant in the room.
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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
Win. That’s all he’s ever cared about his whole life.
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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
Win. That’s all he’s ever cared about his whole life.
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If he ends up firing Sessions over this recent PR nightmare, it will be because Trump only cares about winning.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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Trump has certain goals, they haven’t really changed since his campaign.
- keep out foreigners
- tear down any climate regulation (jobs!)
- renegotiate any trade agreements (jobs!)
- tear apart the Iran nuclear deal
- tear apart obamacare
his tactic is being unpredictable.
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Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue.
By building a wall costing zillions and bsing about how he’s going to get Mexico to pay for it?
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Lol at the idea that Trump is trying to solve anything.
As snark, fine. But what do you think he’s trying to do?
Win. That’s all he’s ever cared about his whole life.
And $
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
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Trump is trying to solve the illegal immigration issue.
By building a wall costing zillions and bsing about how he’s going to get Mexico to pay for it?
Apparently that is part of his chosen approach.
The blue elephant in the room.
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It seems shortsighted to dwell so much on whether families are kept together
Tell that to the toddler crying for its mommy.
My Spanish probably isn’t up to the job but it’s no easier to explain to a toddler why she was carried through the desert or why she can’t stay.
I think we should focus on addressing the overall problem because as it exists now millions of people are going to keep being hurt in ways large and small, even when you’re not seeing headlines.
The blue elephant in the room.