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Jay
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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20-Jun-2018, 5:55 PM

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232

It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.

Obama isn’t the president anymore and Obama wasn’t as bad on the whole as Trump is on immigration.

But nobody cared when it was Obama, and now suddenly it’s a national crisis. I guess hypocrisy has a short shelf life.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232

It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.

Jay, do you think Trump and Obama are equally terrible?

No. I voted for Obama (twice) and Hillary. Had I thought Obama were terrible, I had the opportunity to vote against him for his second term. And I certainly wouldn’t have voted for Hillary after that, given that I believed she’d continue with Obama’s policies for the most part.

Our immigration policy is shit, it’s been shit for a long time, and anyone blaming it on Trump is doing so out of political expediency. Everyone should stop defending their team, acknowledge we all dropped the ball, and work on legislation to fix it.

Anyone screeching about a “Trump policy” that elicited no meaningful reaction from them when Obama was doing it is a hypocrite.

NeverarGreat said:

Jay said:

https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232

It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.

And yet if he had allowed asylum seekers to be put on ‘supervised release’, would Republicans have ever stopped attacking him for it? I can imagine the attack-ads now.

Of course, Obama genuinely believed in compromise, even though the opposition would attack him regardless.

Of course they would’ve attacked him for it, because they oppose catch and release. They know chances are high that illegal immigrants won’t show up for court if they think they’ll be deported. Since we have laws limiting the amount of time children can be detained, they can’t stay with their parents, who end up being detained for much longer (I think it’s 20 days max for kids). The options under current law are to separate them or let them all out. Edit: I was writing this when Mrebo responded, see his post above.

The compromise is allowing kids to be detained along with their parents past the current limit. Kids stay with their guardians, and the guardians aren’t released in the U.S. Democrats don’t like this idea because it’s cruel in their opinion, but if we provided better facilities to accommodate families while they await their court date, I think it would be fine. Republicans probably wouldn’t like that because we’d be spending taxpayer dollars on those facilities, but if the tradeoff is curbing illegal immigration, they should take the hit.

chyron8472 said:

Jay said:

https://twitter.com/ImmCivilRights/status/1008902662828511232

It was bad policy when Obama and the Democrats supported it and it’s bad policy now, but it’s a travesty now because the media tells you it is and there are elections in a few months.

That guy’s whole tirade takes two responses from Obama: “Are you an immigration lawyer?” and “I’ll tell you what we can’t have. It’s these parents sending their kids here on a dangerous journey and putting their lives at risk.” and wraps it in a big ball of subtext that Obama didn’t actually use. Like he says Obama asks if he’s an attorney because Obama was told they’re the only ones who’d care. How does he know this? That’s certainly a leap of logic.

Ridiculous. I would actually be interested in what Obama really would have to say, not this guy’s blathering on about what he wanted Obama to say but didn’t.

This is why I don’t go out of my way to “cite my sources” as you requested earlier. You like the source and their argument, great. You don’t like the source, it’s bullshit.