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And yet a majority of Republicans (based on recent polling IIRC) still support it. God Bless America.
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This is probably the most comprehensive explainer I’ve read on our kiddie concentration camps.
https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-timeline/
And here’s a timeline of our disgusting history of poor treatment of immigrants.
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And yet a majority of Republicans (based on recent polling IIRC) still support it. God Bless America.
Most Republicans would support a fascist theocracy if it were an option. I’m just telling it like it is, facts don’t care about your feelings, or whatever it is they say these days.
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Was a specific poll question asked about child separation or immigration policy in general though?
Where were you in '77?
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These policies were in effect under Obama’s administration when Clinton was SOS. The first picture of kids in cages shared on social media that got Democrats all fired up was from an article written in 2014, but it was implied by those passing it around that it was taken recently. In fact, many of them were taken back then. There was also a picture of a kid crying in a cage that turned out to be part of a recent protest.
Funny how these things don’t seem to matter until the other side is in charge and they can be used as political fuel. Regardless of how you feel about our immigration laws and their application by the current administration, the intellectual dishonesty of the left is rampant. Both parties have passed the hot potato on this issue for decades and acting like Sessions is a monster because he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
My guess is there will be some civilian deaths due to a drone strike at some point and we’ll be debating the morality of “Trump’s drone program”.
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he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
I’m going to have to say “citation needed” on this.
I’m aware that Obama was (and previous presidents also were) strict on immigration, but that doesn’t absolve the current administration of their actions; and I’m not really keen just accepting the claim that it’s all lies on its face.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
I’m going to have to say “citation needed” on this.
I’m not getting into the back-and-forth article posting that often passes for debate in this thread. You can read up on it if you care to.
The debate is whether Trump’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy is resulting in significantly more detentions/separations than previous administrations. Regardless of whether that’s true or not, kids in cages are nothing new and shouldn’t simply be laid at the feet of the current administration.
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Detentions have been happening for a loooong time, yes. Seperations are new. Both are bad, the latter is worse.
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Seperations are new.
This is incorrect. They’ve increased, but if you look at pics from prior administrations, there are kids being held without their parents present. It’s unlikely we’ll ever have accurate numbers for how many.
It’s bad policy all around regardless.
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You’re right it’s about political fuel. What are we supposed to do with the many unaccompanied minors who cross the border? What do we do about the massive illegal immigration in general? Complaining when the disfavored party is in power and the media spoonfeeds us daily outrages isn’t meaningful.
In other news, the Supreme Court avoided ruling on the merits in 2 gerrymandering cases, and in the process threw cold water on the “efficiency gap” theory.
The Court is allowing the case to proceed but the plaintiffs have to show they as individuals have been harmed by gerrymandering.
The blue elephant in the room.
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he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
I’m going to have to say “citation needed” on this.
I’m not getting into the back-and-forth article posting that often passes for debate in this thread. You can read up on it if you care to.
So what you’re saying is you prefer to make uncited claims and have the people in the conversation go research your possible sources themselves before they validate what you said.
…How is that better than citing your source when making your argument?
Not sure I could have gotten away with that in school, with a Works Cited page that says “Go look it up yourself.”
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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I’m uneasy with seeing kids in what looks like a scene out of some apocalyptic tale, (I’m sure Walmart is thrilled one of their former locations is associated with this) and repulsed by people throwing out bible verses as a defense of their policy. No matter who did it before, it’s on Trumpy’s watch now. Guess he finally found an Obama legacy he doesn’t want to undo?
And that Fox news minion who made the summer camp comparison is either delusional or a first class witch, spelled with a b.
Where were you in '77?
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I’m uneasy with seeing kids in what looks like a scene out of some apocalyptic tale, (I’m sure Walmart is thrilled one of their former locations is associated with this) and repulsed by people throwing out bible verses as a defense of their policy. No matter who did it before, it’s on Trumpy’s watch now. Guess he finally found an Obama legacy he doesn’t want to undo?
And that Fox news minion who made the summer camp comparison is either delusional or a first class witch, spelled with a b.
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he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
I’m going to have to say “citation needed” on this.
I’m not getting into the back-and-forth article posting that often passes for debate in this thread. You can read up on it if you care to.
So what you’re saying is you prefer to make uncited claims and have the people in the conversation go research your possible sources themselves before they validate what you said.
…How is that better than citing your source when making your argument?
Not sure I could have gotten away with that in school, with a Works Cited page that says “Go look it up yourself.”
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Seperations are new.
This is incorrect. They’ve increased, but if you look at pics from prior administrations, there are kids being held without their parents present. It’s unlikely we’ll ever have accurate numbers for how many.
It’s bad policy all around regardless.
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And here we are again with the ‘Trump is just like everybody else’
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No, Donald Trump’s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama’s policy
I expect this article will be denounced as liberal claptrap.
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The article says the law requires separation where criminal prosecution pursued and that such separations did thereby occur under Obama.
Obviously that’s not all the article says, but it does say that.
The blue elephant in the room.
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he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
I’m going to have to say “citation needed” on this.
I’m not getting into the back-and-forth article posting that often passes for debate in this thread. You can read up on it if you care to.
Hahaha whoops never mind. I missed your “don’t bother to correct me because I’m right” statement.
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The article says the law requires separation where criminal prosecution pursued and that such separations did thereby occur under Obama.
Obviously that’s not all the article says, but it does say that.
I’m not sure anyone in this thread claimed it never happened under Obama.
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The article says the law requires separation where criminal prosecution pursued and that such separations did thereby occur under Obama.
Obviously that’s not all the article says, but it does say that.
I’m not sure anyone in this thread claimed it never happened under Obama.
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The blue elephant in the room.
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These policies were in effect under Obama’s administration when Clinton was SOS. The first picture of kids in cages shared on social media that got Democrats all fired up was from an article written in 2014, but it was implied by those passing it around that it was taken recently. In fact, many of them were taken back then. There was also a picture of a kid crying in a cage that turned out to be part of a recent protest.
It always annoys when people falsify info regarding evidence, thus trying to make the evidence say what it does not. Say what you want about Trump and his immigration policy, but don’t pass off a photo of kids and cages and falsely claim it is recent when it is not and don’t pass off a kid crying as part of a protest as one of the actual kids that was separated from his/her parents.
Funny how these things don’t seem to matter until the other side is in charge and they can be used as political fuel. Regardless of how you feel about our immigration laws and their application by the current administration, the intellectual dishonesty of the left is rampant.
I am forced to agree, the left has been dishonest in many cases(of course the right is far from innocent in that regard). I could be wrong, but I think what has developed is an idea that it is okay to bend the truth and lie and falsify stuff and make stuff up as long as it forwards the cause that “we know we are on the right side of”.
Both parties have passed the hot potato on this issue for decades and acting like Sessions is a monster because he’s applying the same rules as previous administrations is disingenuous.
perhaps. But am not expert on what the law current says in regards to handling those that cross the border illegally.
My guess is there will be some civilian deaths due to a drone strike at some point and we’ll be debating the morality of “Trump’s drone program”.
possible.
I want it to be clear that I am not saying any of this in order to defend Trump. I am saying it in order defend honesty, the truth, and facts.
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The debate is whether Trump’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy is resulting in significantly more detentions/separations than previous administrations. Regardless of whether that’s true or not, kids in cages are nothing new and shouldn’t simply be laid at the feet of the current administration.
certainly photos of kids in cages taken in 2014 shouldn’t be laid at the feet of the current administration.
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And here we are again with the ‘Trump is just like everybody else’
Please don’t take my posts that way, because I don’t believe Trump is like everybody else. Not everybody else talks with pride about “grabbing women by the p____”.
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I think the bible verse justification for the Nazi-like treatment of illegal immigrants is ultimately great because it exposes Republicans and their Christian allies for being totally amoral. The “moral majority” as they call themselves is actually an immoral minority and I’m glad the general populace is waking up to how disgusting these people that hide behind Christ and God actually are. If hell were real, these people would undoubtedly rot in its fiery depths once they die.
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And here we are again with the ‘Trump is just like everybody else’
Please don’t take my posts that, because I don’t believe Trump is like everybody else. Not everybody else talks with pride about “grabbing women by the p____”.
Oh yeah, that’s another thing that’s incredible. The puritanical voters on the right, that claim to hate sexual immorality, had no problem with a pussy-grabbing President that does not care about consent.
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